Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-01-2011, 03:08 PM   #781
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_eoj View Post
Yup this ones brutal and wish they would hold to their guns a little bit. Or better yet claw back equalization tenfold.

Again, this represents only a fraction of what the coalition will spend if they form government with the bloc holding ransom over every decision.
Yes, a coalition would be a disaster....I guess we just need to elect a Liberal majority to avoid that. They appear to be the only ones who are going to be prudent with the money!

Sincerely,

Still Undecided Voter

PS: Surely you must be joking. You aren't still talking about a coalition that doesn't exist? I saw Harper make the comment again yesterday and I'm not even sure that he believes it anymore....its just lame.
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 03:09 PM   #782
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire View Post
If we had the Liberals and NDP in charge during this recession, the deficit would have been a lot larger IMO.
Hypothesis contrary to fact!

But I'll play along... if we, however, had the Liberals in charge for the recession and the threee years prior, the deficit would be smaller.



During the recession, a Lib-NDP government wouldn't have been much different from the Cons, because the Cons had to doa lot of what the Libs/NDP wanted them to do anyways to avoid losing confidence. Sure, that makes them partly responsible for the stimulus portion of the deficit, but then they also deserve credit for its effects.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 03:14 PM   #783
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slava View Post
Ideally for Canadian citizens post-secondary education would all be free....
Disagree... students get benefit out of education, so they should be paying for the benefit. I do think education should be available to all (edit: who meet academic requirements), but that can be accomplished through loans.

Last edited by SebC; 04-01-2011 at 03:33 PM.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SebC For This Useful Post:
Old 04-01-2011, 03:20 PM   #784
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC View Post
Disagree... students get benefit out of education, so they should be paying for the benefit. I do think education should be available to all, but that can be accomplished through loans.
Well you still have to make the academic requirements....so its not just open the floodgates. Its simply removing the monetary issues for students...anyway, way off topic really.
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 03:30 PM   #785
Bertuzzied
Lifetime Suspension
 
Bertuzzied's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
Exp:
Default

ummm can you guys save some posts for the Harper backers?
Bertuzzied is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bertuzzied For This Useful Post:
Old 04-01-2011, 03:31 PM   #786
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertuzzied View Post
ummm can you guys save some posts for the Harper backers?
Well, that post didn't help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slava View Post
Well you still have to make the academic requirements....
Didn't mean to imply otherwise.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 03:31 PM   #787
Parallex
I believe in the Jays.
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC View Post
Disagree... students get benefit out of education, so they should be paying for the benefit. I do think education should be available to all, but that can be accomplished through loans.
I sort of agree, except that you can work that standard backwards and apply it to K-12... which I do think should be a public service. I just draw the line at post-secondary... if you want that you have to find funding for it yourself.

Just in general... I do think there should be Government Post-secondary Grants available for some. There were rumblings a few days back that the Grit platform will include a Canadian version of the GI Bill... hope that's true.
Parallex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 03:35 PM   #788
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex View Post
I sort of agree, except that you can work that standard backwards and apply it to K-12... which I do think should be a public service. I just draw the line at post-secondary... if you want that you have to find funding for it yourself.
The difference is that K-12 is minors, whereas post-secondary is adults (roughly). Obviously the government benefits from an educated populace, so a subsidy is appropriate. I just don't think it should be a 100% subsidy.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 05:24 PM   #789
HotHotHeat
Franchise Player
 
HotHotHeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
Exp:
Default

WTF?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Mo...777/story.html

Sigh.
HotHotHeat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 05:25 PM   #790
burn_this_city
Franchise Player
 
burn_this_city's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat View Post
Check out the pie charts, if it includes the BQ its 50-50.
burn_this_city is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 06:15 PM   #791
Caged Great
Franchise Player
 
Caged Great's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Well, you have to figure that the liberals and NDP are both left wing options, so having them work together isn't as unpalatable as having the side of politics that you do not subscribe to in full charge.
__________________
Fireside Chat - The #1 Flames Fan Podcast - FiresideChat.ca
Caged Great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 06:24 PM   #792
getbak
Franchise Player
 
getbak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat View Post
Isn't that actually a point in favour of the Conservatives, though?

Right now, the Conservatives are polling at roughly 38% nationally against all the other parties.

Presumably, all of those 38% would prefer a Conservative majority. So, this poll would seem to indicate that there's 12% of the population who does not support the Conservatives but would prefer a Conservative majority to a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition.

Presumably, most Bloc and NDP supporters would favour a coalition because it would finally be a chance for their party to have some level of control in government rather than always being in opposition, so I'd assume most of that 12% is from Liberal supporters who would prefer a Conservative majority to a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition. 12% of the total is about half the Liberals' support. If enough of them hold their noses and vote Conservative to prevent a coalition, it could be enough for that majority.


Ontario and Quebec are the only 2 provinces that would prefer a coalition to a Conservative majority. Quebec isn't surprising because the Bloc would hold the balance of power whether it was an official member of the coalition or not.

44% of Ontarians would prefer a Conservative majority to a Lib-NDP coalition. If they were able to convert that into receiving 44% of the vote in Ontario, it would be a landslide.
__________________
Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
getbak is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to getbak For This Useful Post:
Old 04-01-2011, 06:34 PM   #793
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak View Post
Right now, the Conservatives are polling at roughly 38% nationally against all the other parties.

Presumably, all of those 38% would prefer a Conservative majority. So, this poll would seem to indicate that there's 12% of the population who does not support the Conservatives but would prefer a Conservative majority to a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition.

Presumably, most Bloc and NDP supporters would favour a coalition because it would finally be a chance for their party to have some level of control in government rather than always being in opposition, so I'd assume most of that 12% is from Liberal supporters who would prefer a Conservative majority to a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition. 12% of the total is about half the Liberals' support. If enough of them hold their noses and vote Conservative to prevent a coalition, it could be enough for that majority.
This all assumes that a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition is the only alternative to a Conservative majority, and it isn't. And if Bloc and NDP supporters would really prefer to be in government than opposition, they wouldn't be Bloc or NDP supporters.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 06:44 PM   #794
getbak
Franchise Player
 
getbak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC View Post
This all assumes that a Lib-NDP-Bloc coalition is the only alternative to a Conservative majority, and it isn't. And if Bloc and NDP supporters would really prefer to be in government than opposition, they wouldn't be Bloc or NDP supporters.
If the Conservatives keep hammering the Liberals about a coalition though, that's what they hope to have happen.


It would be good to know where the people's original support lies. I find it hard to believe that it's a bunch of people who say, "I support the NDP, but I'd rather the Conservatives form a majority than have my party be part of a coalition government", but you never know.


As it says in the story:
Quote:
"It's a polarizing issue, but in a way, that can work in favour of the Conservatives," said Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Reid, which conducted the poll. "This is an argument that divides the population in a way the Conservatives need to have it divided."
__________________
Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
getbak is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 06:52 PM   #795
SebC
tromboner
 
SebC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak View Post
If the Conservatives keep hammering the Liberals about a coalition though, that's what they hope to have happen.
Harper can present Canadians with a false dichotomy, and will likely garner support by doing so, but not everyone will buy it.
SebC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2011, 09:55 AM   #796
J pold
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2004
Exp:
Default

J pold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 09:00 AM   #797
starseed
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Exp:
Default

You know you're a nerd when:

You get up early to watch the Liberal party platform launch live online.
starseed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 12:14 PM   #798
starseed
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Exp:
Default

This video from the last campaign might explain why Harper keeps the media behind the fence and limits the amount of and type of questions they can ask while he is on the campaign trail:

starseed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 01:50 PM   #799
Art Vandelay
First Line Centre
 
Art Vandelay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Cap Hell
Exp:
Default

I'm a Conservative supporter, but even I am getting tired of Harper and his lack of openness.

This one on one debate thing is looking bad for him too.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3 View Post
All I saw was Godzilla.
Art Vandelay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 02:03 PM   #800
zamler
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertuzzied View Post
laughable.
Pretty much everything you've posted in this thread has been laughable, or just plain useless IMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat View Post
I'm not surprised. Ignatieff has absolutely no hope of running this country properly, he is so out to lunch it scares me to think of what he'd do as PM. But that doesn't stop people from voting for him. There are a lot of people that have an unreasonable hate towards Harper, and will vote for anyone but him.
zamler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:44 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy