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[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by blankall

I wasn't debating whether or not steak tastes good. Everyone knows it does

By choosing to eat meat you are exercising actions based around ideologies which tell you it is acceptable to eat that particular kind of meat.

Well, didn't the Bible say "God gave man all the plants and animals of the world?"

Have you considered that participation or non-participation in anything from religion to eating meat only becomes ideological should the person in question choose to make it so? I think, therefore I am. I do not think, therefore I am not.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by blankall

The only one not debating anything are the atheists. They are concrete in their belief system and 100% convinced they have the exact answer to the big questions.

Where the hell did you get this idea?

[Traditional_Ale]

^ Yeah, no kidding.

Athiests don't claim to have all the answers. They just refrain from asking pointless questions.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Science admits that nothing can ever truly be proven with 100% certainty. Therefore, every priciple requires a degree of belief. Some require more than others, but that does not make them seperate concepts.

The difference between the two definitions provided are just opposite ends of a spectrum. They're both most certainly ideologies though.

So if I removed a pixel from the Mona Lisa, then obviously its no longer the Mona Lisa, its a theory of the Mona Lisa, cause we can't be certain with that missing pixel.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

^ Yeah, no kidding.

Athiests don't claim to have all the answers. They just refrain from asking pointless questions.

So you admit that you refrain from ever questioning your beliefs. How is that different than saying you have the correct answer?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Thor

So if I removed a pixel from the Mona Lisa, then obviously its no longer the Mona Lisa, its a theory of the Mona Lisa, cause we can't be certain with that missing pixel.

The Mona Lisa is not a scientific principle. It's a collection of paint, framing, and canvas we choose to call the Mona Lisa. The Mona Lisa stops being the Mona Lisa when everyone accepts that it is no longer the Mona Lisa. I doubt removing one pixel would result in that change in our beliefs.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by blankall

So you admit that you refrain from ever questioning your beliefs. How is that different than saying you have the correct answer?

Because I'm not seeking an answer! I don't need an answer, correct or incorrect, to a question I consider pointless and simply don't give a f*** about.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by blankall

So you admit that you refrain from ever questioning your beliefs. How is that different than saying you have the correct answer?

Atheism isn't a belief system.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Well, didn't the Bible say "God gave man all the plants and animals of the world?"

Have you considered that participation or non-participation in anything from religion to eating meat only becomes ideological should the person in question choose to make it so? I think, therefore I am. I do not think, therefore I am not.

You are aware of the concept in god. You must therefore choose to believe or not believe. An infinite number of possibilities exist between those two extremes, but everyone who is aware of the concept of god has some set of beliefs concerning the existence of god.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Because I'm not seeking an answer! I don't need an answer, correct or incorrect, to a question I consider pointless and simply don't give a f*** about.

So you are saying that you are open to the idea of there being a god. That's agnotism.

Saying there is no god is atheism. Two totally seperate things. Agnostics, by definition, are unsure of their beliefs. Atheists are sure of their beliefs and have an extremely strict set of rules governing their ideologies.

[Traditional_Ale]

Do you think I've been living under a rock? Of course I've heard of God! I just don't ever think about it. Ever. I consider it pointless. I don't care who is right or wrong. I really don't give a damn. My participation or non-participation in belief or non-belief means about as much to me as what the deuce I dropped 20 minutes ago smells like.

It's not an ideology. I'd have to care about/think about it for it to be so. And it is not so.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by blankall

Saying there is no god is atheism.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Originally Posted by blankall

Atheists are sure of their beliefs and have an extremely strict set of rules governing their ideologies.

Name two. I'll check my stone tablets to see if you're right.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Do you think I've been living under a rock? Of course I've heard of God! I just don't ever think about it. Ever. I consider it pointless. I don't care who is right or wrong. I really don't give a damn. My participation or non-participation in belief or non-belief means about as much to me as what the deuce I dropped 20 minutes ago smells like.

It's not an ideology. I'd have to care about/think about it for it to be so. And it is not so.

You've never once thought about it? Not once? The fact you so easily dismiss something only exemplifies how deep routed and strict your ideologies are.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Name two. I'll check my stone tablets to see if you're right.

1) there is no god

2) there is no heaven

3) there is no soul

4) god is not a fish

5) god is not a my dad's old hunting trophy

Are these not all beliefs you must have to be an atheist? A system of beliefs even....isn't there a word for that?

[HOOT]

Religion showing it's true colors again.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by blankall

You've never once thought about it? Not once? The fact you so easily dismiss something only exemplifies how deep routed and strict your ideologies are.

Whaaa???? Look, maybe you're just talking over my head and I don't get it, which is known to happen. But I think before something is an ideology you'd have to have intellectual and emotional investment in the subject matter. Which in this case on my part there is none. This is a neat debate, though.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Whaaa???? Look, maybe you're just talking over my head and I don't get it, which is known to happen. But I think before something is an ideology you'd have to have intellectual and emotional investment in the subject matter. Which in this case there is none. This is a neat debate, though.

I would argue that atheists are extremely stubborn about the main tenant of their beliefs...god does not exist

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by blankall

I would argue that atheists are extremely stubborn about the main tenant of their beliefs...god does not exist

Except I'm not stubborn. I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I doubt I am.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by blankall

1) there is no god

2) there is no heaven

3) there is no soul

4) god is not a fish

5) god is not a my dad's old hunting trophy

Are these not all beliefs you must have to be an atheist? A system of beliefs even....isn't there a word for that?

One.

The rest are contingent on (1)

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by blankall

I would argue that atheists are extremely stubborn about the main tenant of their beliefs...god does not exist

You say stubborness like it's a bad thing.