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Old 03-30-2011, 12:25 PM   #61
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I can't believe there are this many anti-recliners! I would happily recline my seat into all of you. We're jammed into a freaking plane. Lets all get comfortable. Don't even ask.

Just recline yourself...tada same space as before.
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:26 PM   #62
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Fair enough, but dont feel bad when all you feel on your back all flight long is my legs because you thought you deserved extra leg room over someone who actually needs it.
It's not that I deserve it, it's that I paid for it. Go go capitalism!
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:50 PM   #63
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Manufacturers also provide a manual pull latch on all exit doors of the plane, would you utilize that 30,000 ft. in the air?
I think a much better analogy would be that the Saddledome seats do no force you to put your back against the backrest; however I think most of us agree that the people that lean forward and obstruct the view of the people behind them are inconsiderate.

I'm not saying to never recline; just be mindful of the person behind you. Your seatback is also their tray, TV, and impacts leg room. I've had people almost break my laptop, spill drinks, and bang my knees by suddenly reclining.

If you are going to recline, I ask the following:

- Use the seat back. So have a rest, etc. Don't just move it back the second the seatbelt sign comes off just to give you more space.
- Make some sort of indication you are coming back. In the aisle seat you can turn around and say "sorry, just going to recline my seat." If you cannot see the person behind you come back very slowly. Give me time to move whatever I have on the table or move my legs.
- Change it up on long flights. Give the person behind you a break; especially if you are getting up to use the washroom.

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Lets all get comfortable. Don't even ask.

Just recline yourself...tada same space as before.
First of all, maybe I don't want to recline. I may be wanting to look out the window; watch TV, use the laptop. You use the word "Lets." Which is a contraction for "Let Us"- keep in mind the "Us" part of that. Now you know that a significant number of people don't share your viewpoint; you can try to show some consideration to the rest of "us."
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:56 PM   #64
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I just consider those few inches as my space, not the guy's behind me. Similarly, those last few inches in front of me belong to the guy in front of me.

But yes, informing is important so you don't knock stuff over.
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:58 PM   #65
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I wonder how tall all of you people are asking for bulkheads and exit rows. I'm so used to going on planes and seeing short people sitting there.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:01 PM   #66
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^^^^^

I may be off base as I have only flown AC the past little while, but in actuality I think the reclining only affects space in your torso and head area. As in the distance from about your waist up decreases with the recline.

It would be a silly design if your tray table moved around every time the person ahead reclined unless they are an ####### and recline it like it is an ejection seat.

I guess it comes into play if you are long legged and you knee level is higher than you waist in a seated position.

I agree about reclining though. I hate it. I have what you would call a large personal space bubble and don't like some ass invading it.

A couple weeks ago I lasted a ten hour flight without reclining, just because I know how much I hate it.

Am I a hero? no. Stupid? Possibly.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:08 PM   #67
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I'm 6'4, mostly leg, and am certain that a reclined seat maybe knocks off half an inch of my leg room.
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I'm 6'4 as well and when people recline it goes straight into my knees. Hurts like hell.
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I'm 6'4 as well and when people recline it goes straight into my knees. Hurts like hell.
How? Its a swivel. If the top only goes back ~3", then close to the bottom of the swivel where your knees are ends up going back less than an inch.

Now if they slam it back, then ya it hurts guys like us who have little to nothing to give. Then the person in front of me is in for some retribution for being a ######bag.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:38 PM   #70
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I am only 6'1" and the seat goes into my knees unless I have them splayed out to either side, in the isle and the seat beside me space. Some times that damn metal part of the tray hinge can catch you, brutal.

The only thing I know about the emergency exit seats is you have to be sober...
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:07 PM   #71
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On a WJ trip to Puerto Vallarta I paid extra for these seats. The plane had 3 seats per row on each side, but on the emergency row, there was only 2 (the isle and the row, the window seat didn’t exist). I didn’t notice the armrests or less cushion in my seats as you mentioned; however, I did remember that our seats would not recline. On the plus side you get more legroom.
If you can get the seat directly behind the exit row window, that means you have no seat in front of you and you will get even more legroom.
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On a WJ trip to Puerto Vallarta I paid extra for these seats. The plane had 3 seats per row on each side, but on the emergency row, there was only 2 (the isle and the row, the window seat didn’t exist). I didn’t notice the armrests or less cushion in my seats as you mentioned; however, I did remember that our seats would not recline. On the plus side you get more legroom.
If you can get the seat directly behind the exit row window, that means you have no seat in front of you and you will get even more legroom.
Ya, this is the much lauded seat 12F. She's a beauty. Infinite leg room, reclinability, and a pretty lady butler to service you.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:54 PM   #73
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^ Ahhh...the perfect westjet seat. Too bad all you can see out the window is the wing.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:57 PM   #74
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I shall be enjoying 12F in all its glory tomorrow on my flight to YYZ.

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How? Its a swivel. If the top only goes back ~3", then close to the bottom of the swivel where your knees are ends up going back less than an inch.

Now if they slam it back, then ya it hurts guys like us who have little to nothing to give. Then the person in front of me is in for some retribution for being a ######bag.
The metal bars for the tray's if I have my legs straight in front of me, it jabs into my knees, I have bad knees so its especially painful.

I have to then stick my knees out on each side, which isn't very comfortable nor fair if anyone is sitting next to me.
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:04 PM   #76
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Some short people just don't get it

At 6'7 I can attest to you that most definitely you reclining your seat ruins my day. Depending on the plane the odds were already stacked against me getting my meal tray down, now you've guaranteed it will stop on my splayed legs on either side of your reclined seat and sit at a 45 degree angle in the air.

Those same metal hinges hurt like a b*tch when you slam back.

If I ask you nicely to leave your seat upright after you've tried ramming it through my knees 5 times enjoy having your seat kicked/kneed at my every opportunity.
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:48 PM   #77
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I am also surprised with the amount of anti recliners... I guarantee I fly more then just about every person on calgarypuck, and the only time I wont recline my seat is if there is a huge person behind me, or a women with a child on her lap.

Now I only recline probably 50% of the time as it takes it toll on the lower back after awhile, but honestly, I cant even notice a difference if the person ahead of me reclines.

I also wont recline if they have a drink on their tray, but as soon as they pick that drink up to take a sip, I move in on it, and recline if I am in a reclining mood.

Now as pointed out, if I was ever asked to keep my seat upright, I would. Im not going to argue about something so stupid, but if I want to get comfortable and your not 6'7' or weigh 400+ pounds, or have a child on your lap, im gladly going to lay back and listen to my music.
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:55 PM   #78
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Too funny. Although not an anti recliner, I do really want people to look, maybe ask, and pleeeaaase go slowly. I hate the shock of a seat back slamming into my knees since they are likely jammed into the seatback, especially if I was getting a few minutes of sleep. A brutal way to wake up.

As a Westjet employee/owner, I would suggest that you pay whatever fees are offered, and thank you for it

Now I have to go board my flight--but not in a exit row seat.
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:02 PM   #79
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So what I've got from this thread is that those of us that are 6' or taller have a tough time on airplanes, and are pretty much screwed once someone puts their seat back, and shorter people are inconsiderate jerks.
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Now I have to go board my flight--but not in a exit row seat.
Of course; you get the best seat in the house!
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