Anonymous Poll: Should homosexuals be allowed to get married?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by J pold

Uh huh...and what about the millions of heterosexual couples who have unprotected sex everyday? How are they held responsible?

The results of their actions are their responsibilty. If someone is continuely getting STDs the opinion of others towards them does diminish. They are seen as reckless and irresponsible at the very least. If they are seen as victims at all it is as victims of their own actions.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The results of their actions are their responsibilty. If someone is continuely getting STDs the opinion of others towards them does diminish. They are seen as reckless and irresponsible at the very least. If they are seen as victims at all it is as victims of their own actions.

So are you saying someone who gets numerous STIs should not be a parents, hereto or homosexual?

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Responsible for having unprotected sex.

Alright. I'm jumping in with one post before bed.

This is the single dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet. And there's a lot of stupidity out there.

I'm sexually active, I'm single and looking to settle down soon, but until that happens, I'm playing the field like any single guy in his 20's gay or straight. I can tell you that the guys I run into play safe. If you think gay guys are out having wild unprotected sex at will, you are sorely mistaken. I know there are some, but for guys in their 20s, the majority play safe.

As for when/if I decide to settle down and adopt, as with most guys my age, it'll be settling down with a purpose to raise a family...not to have trophy kids while having three+ ways every Friday night with guys we pick up off the net. Guys who don't want to settle down with a nuclear family won't adopt. They'll keep going to the clubs, picking up 18 year olds till they die. Big whoop.

Listen, I don't care if people are repulsed by me. No skin off my nose, but if you are going to say something to defend your position, say something that shows you have at least some cognitive powers. There are some valid points I've heard over the years, and I respect those who don't make it political or religious (and I am a very practicing Christian--believe it or not..and the roommate is mormon of all things, lulz) because you lose credibility.

Peace. Night.

[Yeah_Baby]

The silly talk of AIDs rates is like saying: "Most people in Red Deer are smokers. Secondhand smoke is dangerous. No one in Red Deer is allowed to raise children."

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You gave only excuses for the irresponsibility many gay men show towards their own bodies and that of their dates. None of your excuses takes away the basic fact that they are responsible for their actions. If a gay man has unprotected sex he is just as responsible for his actions and outcome as another man who choses to drink and drive.

Being a responsible adult should be fair requirement of any potentual parent.

I'm just demonstrating the silliness of the commonly used term "homophobia" by useing it in reverse. However, in this case you did by your own declaration quit reading my post after reading something you disagreed with. You in effect closed your mind. It is ironic you are accusing me of the same thing.



Well if you hadn't quit reading my post you would have known I was suggesting that the medical history of the potentual adopted parent should be investigated in order to determine responsible behaviour. Of course all applicants should submit to the same standard.

Your political agenda is one of "gay rights". What it really is is "gay priviledges" because a marriage licence or an adoption certificate are not rights but, priviledges given by the State to those who meet certain requirements.

Your focus is on what you see as fair to homosexuals when adoption should always be centered on the best interests of the child.

Oh my god... ughh...

I did read the rest of your post and it was stupid.

Do you even know what a phobia is? Its a fear of something? did i post anywhere in here where i claimed to be afraid of something? no... The reason homophobia as a term is thrown around so much is because people tend to shut down ANYTHING when it comes to open sexuality...

And i dont have an agenda, i would love for there to be equal rights and that the ignorance and bigotry and hate people like you throw around would just die out (and it is). Your claim that adoption and marriage is a privilege is ####ing stupid, if marriage was so important they wouldn't allow people to get quickie marriages while drunk in Vegas... You are trying to prevent a couple from adopting a child based on the fact that they are Gay. If you really think the negative influences of having gay parents is stronger than having loving parents with strong socioeconomic status and no history of violence... well than you ARE an idiot. As i said before the relationship(of having gay parents and potential deviance) between the two would be minuscule compared to other factors.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Responsible for having unprotected sex.

That doesn't even make sense... What does that have to do with anything? Who here said gay couples didn't take responsibility for having sexual relations...


The problem with this is that many people believe what they want to believe, they pull #### out of their asses like "having gay parents is hard on the kids" when they have no statistical evidence that this is true. Having done the schooling and done the countless hours of research i am speaking from an educated standpoint. A position many people do not come from.

Regardless, the change in times is coming, like i said, in 10-15 years i bet gays have the exact same rights as us, i bet they are looked upon more equally than they are now. The fact that 80% of the people on this forum believe they should be allowed to get married is a testament to that. The Anti-Gay crowd is dying.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by J pold

So are you saying someone who gets numerous STIs should not be a parents, hereto or homosexual?

I'm saying that a responsible life style should be an expected trait for any anyone seeking adoption. The State can't and shouldn't determine who can have children on their own. The State has a definate responsibility to determine who is the best potentual parents for a child in their care.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You gave only excuses for the irresponsibility many gay men show towards their own bodies and that of their dates. None of your excuses takes away the basic fact that they are responsible for their actions. If a gay man has unprotected sex he is just as responsible for his actions and outcome as another man who choses to drink and drive.

Being a responsible adult should be fair requirement of any potentual parent.

What about heterosexual guys who slip drugs into the drinks of women with the sole intent to have unprotected and unconsenual sex with them? Or people who go to clubs/bars with the sole intent of picking up someone of the opposite sex at random to have straight sex with them and might not even bother getting a first name nevermind asking if they are disease free? Is that being less irresponsible then a homosexual who chooses to have unprotected, consenual sex with their partner that they know the sexual and medical history of?

If being a responsible adult is a requirement of a potential parent I think its safe to say many parents would not be fit that requirement. How many women are having "straight sex" with multiple partners and turning their vagina into a clown car with numerous baby daddies that they can't even pinpoint who fathered what. How is this person going to be a better parent then a homosexual couple that's exclusive and can raise their child in a stable environment where you have two loving and constant parents?

It's not like you are inviting the child into the bedroom to watch you have sex so I fail to see why it matters how you have sex as to whether you are a suitable parent. If you can meet all the other requirements of adoption and prove yourself to be a fit parent, your sexual orientation should not even come into play.

[Tinordi]

Who uses the term homosexual anymore?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Drury18

What about heterosexual guys who slip drugs into the drinks of women with the sole intent to have unprotected and unconsenual sex with them? Is that being less irresponsible then a homosexual who chooses to have unprotected, consenual sex with their partner that they know the sexual and medical history of?

If being a responsible adult is a requirement of a potential parent I think its safe to say many parents would not be fit that requirement. How many women are having "straight sex" with multiple partners and turning their vagina into a clown car with numerous baby daddies that they can't even pinpoint who fathered what. How is this person going to be a better parent then a homosexual couple that's exclusive and can raise their child in a stable environment where you have two loving and constant parents?

It's not like you are inviting the child into the bedroom to watch you have sex so I fail to see why it matters how you have sex as to whether you are a suitable parent. If you can meet all the other requirements of adoption and prove yourself to be a fit parent, your sexual orientation should not even come into play.

Drury the Government does have higher standards for potentual parents of adopted children. As I mentioned before a single adult probably not be considered as an adoptive parent and if they were they would stand far behind a couple seeking a child.

It is fair and proper to look at both a person's medical, financial, and criminal history before considering them for an adoptive parent. The best interest of the child must come first.

I find it funny that there has been so much criticism of the idea that a person's responsibility regarding their own body might be considered when determining how responsible they would be as a parent. Why even assume that would put a homosexual couple at a disadvantage?

[TylerSVT]

I find it funny that you fail to give a response to my post because you know that everything i wrote is true.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Threads like this I wish are stored away, saved for 20 years down the line. The opinions of some are going to be so disgusting to read in the not so distant future, down right repulsive.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Threads like this I wish are stored away, saved for 20 years down the line. The opinions of some are going to be so disgusting to read in the not so distant future, down right repulsive.

You make a valid point, however I don't have to wait 20 years to read opinions that are down right repulsive and disgusting. They are in this thread right now

[Porkchopp]

It just shocks me that this debate even exists, because the notion that someone should not be allowed to raise kids based upon sexual orientation is so boggling to me. It just confuses me beyond belief...I feel like my brain is dying from reading some of the arguments...I think it has something to do with the "everyone in this room is dumber for having heard you speak" effect.

[ynwa03]

Question for the atheists who see homosexuality as no more right or wrong than heterosexuality: How does this idea co-exist with the idea of evolution and natural selection?

[Lee of Red]

Well, I don't think that acceptance of homosexuality and acceptance of evolutionary theory are mutually exclusive. On what grounds do you think they are?

Homosexual behaviour has been observed in every species that exhibits sexual behaviour. It hasn't done their species any harm just as it won't do humans any harm.

[Mad Mel]

Hell no. Jesus, next thing you know, women will want to vote and blacks will be on the same bus as us.

And before some hillbilly posts a response, yes, it's exactly the same thing.

[sergei_makarov]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I've always been curious about how well boys fare when raised by two women. I recall reading that an absence of positive male role models in their lives was a factor common to a majority of prison inmates. I think boys are likely a tad more vulnerable than girls in this respect (i.e. negative effects in the absence of role model of the same gender).

No idea if anyone's ever researched this, or if there would even be enough of a sample size to make the research work yet.

The triggering factor in these cases is incorrectly identified as being the absence of a male role model. The real reason for this trend is the absence of a family unit for the child and diminished interactions with the now sole care giver of the family.

[robocop]

sure whatever, I don't care what people do in their personal lives if it has nothing to do with me and it's not hurting anyone

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

Well done, attack me because i have a color changing mustang, avoid the issue all together.

At least i am secure enough to know i am not gay and that i know its ok for those who are to be just as happy and free as i am. Even if i was gay, i wouldnt have a problem with telling people.

Next time try to have some input into the conversation rather than just throw things around, you might come off as a little more educated.

You think that making a joke about the colour of your car is an attack on you?

Your education hasn't served you very well if that's your conclusion.

[bubbsy]

curious tag to this thread.....