Anonymous Poll: Should homosexuals be allowed to get married?

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Bull crap.

Everyone older than 12 knows that unprotected sex can lead to std's and aids. They teach it in school for crying out loud. Unfortunately, gay men get the disease at higher rates because of their lifestyle choice.

Try to grow up and respect others view on things, rather than telling them to "die off". Nobody here is hating on gays. Criticism is not hatred.

You remind me of Nage Waza who jumps on the anti-semite card if you criticize Israel in the slightest.

Are you serious?

Putting aside the obvious flaws in your earlier statement, how about this:

When a man meets a woman, typically the guy wants sex and has a different view on sex than a woman does, a woman sees it as a close personal meaningful act. Therefore is less likely to engage in sexual activity on a first date.

In a gay situation you have 2 males that are open and willing to have sex because they both believe it is for fun etc.

The increase in statistics would have NOTHING to do with intelligence but more to do with an increased level of sexual activity PER PERSON.

Again this is compounded when put together with my earlier argument.

Unless you think there is a "gay gene" and it makes them dumber you are just pandering and looking for anything to attack homosexuality because it threatens your beliefs and you think that your will should overpower the will of others.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

The increase in statistics would have NOTHING to do with intelligence but more to do with an increased level of sexual activity PER PERSON.

I didn't say gay men get aids because they are dumb or unintelligent, I was saying they get aids at higher rates because on average they live a more promiscuous lifesyle and they are horny #######s...

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

the Bolded part was where i stopped reading...

You do realize this might be true because:
A) Most homosexual men choose to not make it public to avoid persecution and avoid the negativity that homophobic people like you tend to flail around.
B) Straight sex people use condoms for 2 reasons, one is STI prevention, the other is for the prevention of child birth. Homosexual people do not have to worry about that so they are less inclined to use a Condom.

Statistics can be thrown around a lot... anyone can do it, it takes some intelligence to actually understand them and understand the situation.

I hope in 15 years my kids can grow up in a society where Gays are seen as equals like they should be, i wouldnt care if my kid was gay or straight, i will love them because they are my children.

Close minded people like yourself need to do some research or just die off already, you are the problem with society.

Ahh... more phobia. It seems to be going around and when it hits it closes the mind like a trap!

Perhaps in 15 years your children will have the freedom to treat homsexuals as equal members of society and therefore be willing to make them responsible for their own actions instead of making excuses for them.

Hopefully that society will also put the best interests of an adopted child ahead of any political stance or agenda. The priority should be the child.

[Drury18]

According to Dutch Researchers, Swingers have a higher incidence of STD's then Homosexuals and Youth: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/...4051277433415/

The study, published online ahead of print in the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections, found swingers were among those with the highest rates of sexually transmitted infections -- young people and gay men.

The combined rates of Chlamydia and gonorrhea were 10 percent among straight people, 14 percent among gay men, just under 5 percent in female prostitutes and 10.4 percent among swingers. Female swingers had higher infection rates than male swingers.

Fifty-five percent of all diagnoses in the those age 45 and older were in swingers, compared with 31 percent in homosexual men.

STD's have little to do with whether you stick it in the same sex or opposite sex and EVERYTHING to do with whether you practice safe sex and if you choose to sleep around with anything you can with a relaxed attitude towards safety. As one poster mentioned above, yes two gay men may take a less safe approach to sex since there is no fear of pregnancy and therefore a condom, to them, may be a second thought. That same attitude is taken by "invincible" teenagers who think pregnancy can't happen to them either. At worst, the gay males are no worse then horny heterosexual teenagers.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I didn't say gay men get aids because they are dumb or unintelligent, I was saying they get aids at higher rates because on average they live a more promiscuous lifesyle and they are horny #######s...

I was referring to this:

Do you have some statistical evidence that would show that gay people are more wise and compassionate?

Regardless you are being naive, the couples looking to adopt are not crazy sex monkeys just like straight couples looking to adopt are not crazy sex monkeys... Your argument is invalid regardless of how you look at it.

Face it, on a case by case basis you only have a problem with the fact that one couple might be gay. You are simply, apposed to gays having equal rights regardless if they are better or worse at being parents.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Ahh... more phobia. It seems to be going around and when it hits it closes the mind like a trap!

Perhaps in 15 years your children will have the freedom to treat homsexuals as equal members of society and therefore be willing to make them responsible for their own actions instead of making excuses for them.

Hopefully that society will also put the best interests of an adopted child ahead of any political stance or agenda. The priority should be the child.

Because right now gays are not responsible for their own actions? Please elaborate on that one.

Where exactly do i show a phobia of anything other than idiocy and close mindedness...

What political agenda do i have? Gays should be allowed to do anything straight people should, there are ####### straight couples and i am sure there are ####### gay parents, as long as the screening is the same it shouldnt matter. Kids who get adopted into loving families will always be better than those put in foster care.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

I was referring to this:



Regardless you are being naive, the couples looking to adopt are not crazy sex monkeys just like straight couples looking to adopt are not crazy sex monkeys... Your argument is invalid regardless of how you look at it.

Face it, on a case by case basis you only have a problem with the fact that one couple might be gay. You are simply, apposed to gays having equal rights regardless if they are better or worse at being parents.

"Do you have some statistical evidence that would show that gay people are more wise and compassionate?"

^^I didn't even post what you quoted here......

I am not opposed to gays having equal rights....who says gays can't be together? Where did I say I hated gays?

I was saying that under my definition of marriage, gays don't fit the mold and therefore should have a separate institution that functions the same for themselves. Read more carefully.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You remind me of Nage Waza who jumps on the anti-semite card if you criticize Israel in the slightest.

Can you please find one quote or thread where this was ever done? Oh wait, you won't, because:
A) you lied
B) you cannot find a quote
C) you do not respond to questions
D) all of the above

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

What political agenda do i have? Gays should be allowed to do anything straight people should, there are ####### straight couples and i am sure there are ####### gay parents, as long as the screening is the same it shouldnt matter. Kids who get adopted into loving families will always be better than those put in foster care.

You're missing the point.

It's not that gays are not good, responsible people. It's the gender roles/confusion that can cause problems in the child down the road. I kind of agree with the guy who said the kid should be old enough to consent to be picked up by a gay couple.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Can you please find one quote or thread where this was ever done? Oh wait, you won't, because:
A) you lied
B) you cannot find a quote
C) you do not respond to questions
D) all of the above

No. You know damn well you have called me an anti-semite.

I'm not going off topic anymore with you.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Perhaps in 15 years your children will have the freedom to treat homsexuals as equal members of society and therefore be willing to make them responsible for their own actions instead of making excuses for them.

I'm probably going to regret this but what in the hell does this even mean? Responsible for what actions?

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You're missing the point.

It's not that gays are not good, responsible people. It's the gender roles/confusion that can cause problems in the child down the road. I kind of agree with the guy who said the kid should be old enough to consent to be picked up by a gay couple.

Can you post up some statistical evidence that states this is true?

I find it hard to believe that a gay couple would somehow ruin a childs perception of the nuclear family.

Other roles and mores are more important than having parents who are male/female, such as teaching a kid how to know what right from wrong is, teaching them how to control their emotions etc.

Believe me, im a sociology major, i know lots about the social responsibility of parents, nothing i have ever read has indicated that gay couples produce worse children than straight couples.

Even if there were a correlation the relationship would be minute, if you ran a regression on the causation of negative personality traits i bet you 90% could be explained by the socio economic status of a family, as well as history of past crimes and education level, not parental sexual preference.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by J pold

I'm probably going to regret this but what in the hell does this even mean? Responsible for what actions?

Who knows? Sounds like the ramblings of a person who knows nothing of what they are talking about.

[flylock shox]

I've always been curious about how well boys fare when raised by two women. I recall reading that an absence of positive male role models in their lives was a factor common to a majority of prison inmates. I think boys are likely a tad more vulnerable than girls in this respect (i.e. negative effects in the absence of role model of the same gender).

No idea if anyone's ever researched this, or if there would even be enough of a sample size to make the research work yet.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

I disagree and saw pretty much the opposite happen at my school growing up. I think if a kids old enough to understand what homosexuality is and he's in some half way home (whatever they're called) then its fine to put him/her into a home with a gay couple with his/her consent. I don't like it when the kids just a baby and has no say in the matter though. My only real reasoning is that i don't think that there's any way that i would have felt comfortable with being placed into that situation and i know it would have messed my head up pretty well.

Are you kidding me? The kid wouldn't have a choice either way. What if a pregnant woman finally comes out, and has a relationship with another woman. Should the government take her child away because raising a child with same-sex parents is just too "weird"?

A child isn't going to be so confused and angry when they find out it's more common for male and female parents. TV/movies/going outside all show examples of this every day. It's not like they're going to hit puberty and suddenly realize their parents are gay.

Denying a couple the right to raise a child simply because they're gay is completely absurd. The statistic that "homosexual men have a higher instance of HIV than straight men" is irrelevent to this, I don't even know why it was brought up. An adoption agency isn't a store that you walk into, grab a child and leave. Fit or unfit parenting isn't dependent on sexual orientation or statistics relating to them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I've always been curious about how well boys fare when raised by two women. I recall reading that an absence of positive male role models in their lives was a factor common to a majority of prison inmates. I think boys are likely a tad more vulnerable than girls in this respect (i.e. negative effects in the absence of role model of the same gender).

No idea if anyone's ever researched this, or if there would even be enough of a sample size to make the research work yet.

At least if you walked in and saw your parents doing it and it was two hot lesbians you wouldn't be as emotionally devastated as you would if you walked in on your mom and dad doing the pokey.

Ok, I kid I kid

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

Because right now gays are not responsible for their own actions? Please elaborate on that one.

You gave only excuses for the irresponsibility many gay men show towards their own bodies and that of their dates. None of your excuses takes away the basic fact that they are responsible for their actions. If a gay man has unprotected sex he is just as responsible for his actions and outcome as another man who choses to drink and drive.

Being a responsible adult should be fair requirement of any potentual parent.

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

Where exactly do i show a phobia of anything other than idiocy and close mindedness...

I'm just demonstrating the silliness of the commonly used term "homophobia" by useing it in reverse. However, in this case you did by your own declaration quit reading my post after reading something you disagreed with. You in effect closed your mind. It is ironic you are accusing me of the same thing.

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

What political agenda do i have? Gays should be allowed to do anything straight people should, there are ####### straight couples and i am sure there are ####### gay parents, as long as the screening is the same it shouldnt matter. Kids who get adopted into loving families will always be better than those put in foster care.

Well if you hadn't quit reading my post you would have known I was suggesting that the medical history of the potentual adopted parent should be investigated in order to determine responsible behaviour. Of course all applicants should submit to the same standard.

Your political agenda is one of "gay rights". What it really is is "gay priviledges" because a marriage licence or an adoption certificate are not rights but, priviledges given by the State to those who meet certain requirements.

Your focus is on what you see as fair to homosexuals when adoption should always be centered on the best interests of the child.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by J pold

I'm probably going to regret this but what in the hell does this even mean? Responsible for what actions?

Responsible for having unprotected sex.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

At some point in time the kids are going to get old enough to fully comprehend the situation and unless they turn out homosexual as well, I have a hard time believing that there wont be some of them that are pretty upset about it. I know I wouldn't have wanted it for my self at all. Imagine how bad one of these kids would get bullied.

Could you imagine how much a kid would be picked on just for being gay, if everybody had the same opinion as some of these posters.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Responsible for having unprotected sex.

Uh huh...and what about the millions of heterosexual couples who have unprotected sex everyday? How are they held responsible?