Libya headed for civil war? Update: Gadhafi dead

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

The US should not be participating in this. For 8 years the Euro Trash said the US shouldnt be the Worlds police.

This is an internal Libiyan conflict and the the US should have no part, if the Euros want to police the world so be it.

And the US deficit (redundant) military spending continues.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by noel

And the US deficit (redundant) military spending continues.

Is Canada working with a surplus?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

The US should not be participating in this. For 8 years the Euro Trash said the US shouldnt be the Worlds police.

This is an internal Libiyan conflict and the the US should have no part, if the Euros want to police the world so be it.

most American's don't want to be involved with this. But I love how we're hated for being the "world police" yet when idiots do stupid crap it's " American, what should we do?" "what do you mean enforce a no fly zone?" "umm will you show us what to do?"

They hate us for being; yet we're the first to be asked to clean up some idiots mess.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Yea, the States war machine is pretty scary when it gets to unleash the technological advantage.

I'm sure there are weapons in the arsenal that are just sitting there as their defacto "Check-mate" move, that we have never even heard of.

Oh we've heard of them.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

The UN made the resolution international law. It's an international issue now.

This makes me shake my head...just because the UN has passed this resolution doesnt make it any more or less legitimate.

This is the same group that gave Libya a seat on the Human Rights Council....knowing full well all the past transgressions of terrorism and other things that Khadafi was part of.

It is the same thing with Iraq even if the reasoning was incorrect. The UN didnt authorize force yet Hussein had been murdering his own people for decades as well as sponsoring terrorism. Same things Khadafi has done.

Now its OK to go into a country where the same things are occurring....but wasnt 8 years ago. Makes no sense, much like the entire body of work the UN is.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Yea, the States war machine is pretty scary when it gets to unleash the technological advantage.

I'm sure there are weapons in the arsenal that are just sitting there as their defacto "Check-mate" move, that we have never even heard of.

Try firing missiles on the continental U.S and you'll see how advanced they really are, It would be a hell of a freaky lazer light show.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This makes me shake my head...just because the UN has passed this resolution doesnt make it any more or less legitimate.

This is the same group that gave Libya a seat on the Human Rights Council....knowing full well all the past transgressions of terrorism and other things that Khadafi was part of.

It is the same thing with Iraq even if the reasoning was incorrect. The UN didnt authorize force yet Hussein had been murdering his own people for decades as well as sponsoring terrorism. Same things Khadafi has done.

Now its OK to go into a country where the same things are occurring....but wasnt 8 years ago. Makes no sense, much like the entire body of work the UN is.

It's called progression and hopefully this will plant the seed to show other countries not to kill their own citizens just because they don't agree with your policies.

Are you watching Ahmadinejad?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by T@T

It's called progression and hopefully this will plant the seed to show other countries not to kill their own citizens just because they don't agree with your policies.

Are you watching Ahmadinejad?

Its progression because the US/Britain said to hell with the UN and did what was right.

Ahmadinejad is not going to be swayed by any of this stuff, don't kid yourself. He is as batcrap crazy as Kim Jong Il.

I have zero problem with what is being done to Khadafi and his mercenaries, but it should have happened decades ago...but the bastion of diplomacy that is the UN was always standing against things like this.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This makes me shake my head...just because the UN has passed this resolution doesnt make it any more or less legitimate.

This is the same group that gave Libya a seat on the Human Rights Council....knowing full well all the past transgressions of terrorism and other things that Khadafi was part of.

It is the same thing with Iraq even if the reasoning was incorrect. The UN didnt authorize force yet Hussein had been murdering his own people for decades as well as sponsoring terrorism. Same things Khadafi has done.

Now its OK to go into a country where the same things are occurring....but wasnt 8 years ago. Makes no sense, much like the entire body of work the UN is.

There are more differences than similarities between 2003 Iraq and 2011 Libya.

For one, the world respects your current President.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

There are more differences than similarities between 2003 Iraq and 2011 Libya.

For one, the world respects your current President.

The UN acted when NATO had intelligence to justified bombing air fields, the biggest difference is that the US is not in a position to move bilaterally.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Speaking of sponsoring terrorism.....

Gaddafi supposedly has money held in Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. How come these banks aren't facing charges for "supporting terrorism" in accordance with the Patriot Act?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Speaking of sponsoring terrorism.....

Gaddafi supposedly has money held in Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. How come these banks aren't facing charges for "supporting terrorism" in accordance with the Patriot Act?

Have you seen the documentary "Inside Job"? Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but it is a very interesting albeit partisan look into the American finance industry.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Have you seen the documentary "Inside Job"? Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but it is a very interesting albeit partisan look into the American finance industry.

That's not just Americans, that's every country and every type of person when money is involved.

[Leon]

So some pictures for all to see, a few NSFW. Just be wary of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...0321libya.html
Reports of more coalition attacks taking place today.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

most American's don't want to be involved with this. But I love how we're hated for being the "world police" yet when idiots do stupid crap it's " American, what should we do?" "what do you mean enforce a no fly zone?" "umm will you show us what to do?"

They hate us for being; yet we're the first to be asked to clean up some idiots mess.

Yet it's not really that at all. Pretty egocentric to think that the US is behind all the military planning here. They're certainly doing some of the military heavy lifting but the mission is most likely being coordinated by the Euro powers. They're perfectly capable of this.

Besides, the US has sort of forced itself into a periphery position here. Obama acting without congressional approval sort of lends itself to the idea that it's not going to be a particularly long lived involvement.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by noel

Yet it's not really that at all. Pretty egocentric to think that the US is behind all the military planning here. They're certainly doing some of the military heavy lifting but the mission is most likely being coordinated by the Euro powers. They're perfectly capable of this.

Besides, the US has sort of forced itself into a periphery position here. Obama acting without congressional approval sort of lends itself to the idea that it's not going to be a particularly long lived involvement.

He can do a 30 day (I believe) campaign without congressional approval. Besides I believe that this is a UN deal since we are apart of UN we have to delegate some power towards the cause.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

There are more differences than similarities between 2003 Iraq and 2011 Libya.

For one, the world respects your current President.

yeah...name me all the differences if you would.

And he isn't my president, I am not an American.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Have you seen the documentary "Inside Job"? Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but it is a very interesting albeit partisan look into the American finance industry.

I did see it. Well done for the most part but incomplete imo....

You thought it was partisan? I didn't think so....

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Is Canada working with a surplus?

No.

We are $563.2B in debt, and we pay roughly $84M a month to service that debt.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

No.

We are $563.2B in debt, and we pay roughly $84M a month to service that debt.

Okay? can't throw stones when one lives in a glass house.