The Ongoing Coyotes Sale Thread

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Or Atlanta is in worse shape than Phoenix and he has no appetite for owning another NHL team since only one market (Winnipeg) has the means for a 2011-12 relocation.

Not Kansas City?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Or Atlanta is in worse shape than Phoenix and he has no appetite for owning another NHL team since only one market (Winnipeg) has the means for a 2011-12 relocation.

Now I get your thinking of why it will be Atlanta moving to the Peg instead of the Coyotes, although there are other locations such as Kansas City and maybe QC, none have an ownership in place.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Not Kansas City?

No ownership. George Brett has been trying to get an ownership group together for about three years and no luck. Most recent reports out of KC have stated that he's given up on it.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Now I get your thinking of why it will be Atlanta moving to the Peg instead of the Coyotes, although there are other locations such as Kansas City and maybe QC, none have an ownership in place.

QC is getting there, but Peladeau does not have the appetite to stomach several years of losses in the Colisee. Once the new arena is about a year from completion, Quebec will become a player.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

No ownership. George Brett has been trying to get an ownership group together for about three years and no luck. Most recent reports out of KC have stated that he's given up on it.

If KC can offer a decent arena deal, why not Hulsizer? He grew up in New Jersey and he and his business are based in Chicago, so it's not like he has any greater ties to Phoenix than he has to KC.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by getbak

If KC can offer a decent arena deal, why not Hulsizer? He grew up in New Jersey and he and his business are based in Chicago, so it's not like he has any greater ties to Phoenix than he has to KC.

I think KC might expect him to actually pay for the team, unlike Glendale.

[Jordan!]

Dream scenario:

The Coyotes stay in Arizona, Change name to Arizona Jets

Atlanta moves to Winnipeg to shut up people there, and are called the Winnipeg Moose

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Realistic Scenario:

The Coyotes leave Arizona and no one shuts up about Winnipeg as usual.

And Bouw N Arrow is a closet Flames' hater no more .

[troutman]

102 million reasons to get Coyotes
Projected revenue would put 'Peg in top half of all NHL franchises
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spe...118154169.html

If the NHL is looking or plans to look at other options, the one waiting on that side table with Winnipeg's True North Sports and Entertainment will be a lot more solid than the league's skeptics think.

Sources, including one from Winnipeg, have confirmed that the $102-million annual revenue number for potential Winnipeg NHL franchise run up the flagpole by Hockey Night in Canada's Scott Oake last Saturday is a realistic scenario.

In his report, Oake cited $45 million in annual ticket revenue from an average per-ticket price of $75, $19 million in broadcast revenue, $15 million in in-arena revenue, $10 million from luxury boxes and $13 million (the maximum) in NHL revenue sharing.

Sources have said that the overall number is no dream, nor is it any kind of reach, though the report's ticket price is on the high side.

If the ticket revenue number is actually lower, however, it would easily be offset by True North's concert and event revenue outside of hockey, which is believed to be considerable.

I'm sure some will question this math . . .

Why would they get revenue sharing if those other projections are accurate?

[Mazrim]

Scott Taylor on the Fan960 this morning was mentioning how it will likely take every penny of corporations in Winnipeg to make the team profitable, which would hurt other sports like the Blue Bombers who are getting their new stadium and need more money rather than less.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by getbak

If KC can offer a decent arena deal, why not Hulsizer? He grew up in New Jersey and he and his business are based in Chicago, so it's not like he has any greater ties to Phoenix than he has to KC.

Not to mention that it's freaking beautiful here..

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by troutman

102 million reasons to get Coyotes
Projected revenue would put 'Peg in top half of all NHL franchises
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spe...118154169.html

If the NHL is looking or plans to look at other options, the one waiting on that side table with Winnipeg's True North Sports and Entertainment will be a lot more solid than the league's skeptics think.

Sources, including one from Winnipeg, have confirmed that the $102-million annual revenue number for potential Winnipeg NHL franchise run up the flagpole by Hockey Night in Canada's Scott Oake last Saturday is a realistic scenario.

In his report, Oake cited $45 million in annual ticket revenue from an average per-ticket price of $75, $19 million in broadcast revenue, $15 million in in-arena revenue, $10 million from luxury boxes and $13 million (the maximum) in NHL revenue sharing.

Sources have said that the overall number is no dream, nor is it any kind of reach, though the report's ticket price is on the high side.

If the ticket revenue number is actually lower, however, it would easily be offset by True North's concert and event revenue outside of hockey, which is believed to be considerable.

I'm sure some will question this math . . .

Why would they get revenue sharing if those other projections are accurate?

Already counting on revenue sharing at a $1.02 dollar? LOL. I'm sure that will be endearing to other NHL owners!!!

Paid consultants probably aren't the best people for taxpayers on either side to trust right now.

Cowperson

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'm sure some will question this math . . .

Why would they get revenue sharing if those other projections are accurate?

No, they sure would not. If they are in the top half of league revenue, they won't be getting revenue sharing. Even if they were in a revenue sharing position, I doubt they would come close to getting the maximum.

Beyond that, to keep collecting the maximum revenue sharing, they would have to show revenue growth greater than the NHL's overall annual rate. So if the NHL grows at 5% per year, as an example, Winnipeg would have to grow at 5+% per year. Since you are assuming sell outs, that means Winnipeg's ticket prices would be going up probably 9-10% per year, win or lose, just to keep pace.

So yeah, that already high average of $75 in 2011-12 becomes about $82.50 in 2012-13. $90 in 2013-14 and $100 in 2014-15. Good luck.

Oh, and if I read the CBA correctly, to get the maximum share, they would also have to keep a minimum payroll. As always, take with grain of salt as I am hardly a CBA legalese expert.

Also, I half suspect they are double counting the luxury suites. It seems the ticket revenue is 15,015 x $75 x 41 games. But those luxury suites count in the seating capacity. Probably only a difference of a couple million dollars though.

[TorqueDog]

Mayor: Glendale could seek minor league hockey team
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=358400

One of the stages of death is acceptance. NHL hockey in the desert is reaching that stage and it starts with the mayor of Glendale.


Sorry Bouw n Arrow (not really), but the writing is on the wall... the 'Desert Dogs' are coming home.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Scott Taylor on the Fan960 this morning was mentioning how it will likely take every penny of corporations in Winnipeg to make the team profitable, which would hurt other sports like the Blue Bombers who are getting their new stadium and need more money rather than less.

Frankly everyone can comment on how profitable Winnipeg will or can be... but at the end of the day it really doesnt matter. There is a buyer in Winnipeg who is willing to use his own money to try this out.

Contrast this against a guy who is having a city buy the team using public funds and then gift it to him.

If I was a local fan of the Coyotes I would feel a bit guilty pushing for this type of scenario.

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Frankly everyone can comment on how profitable Winnipeg will or can be... but at the end of the day it really doesnt matter. There is a buyer in Winnipeg who is willing to use his own money to try this out.

Contrast this against a guy who is having a city buy the team using public funds and then gift it to him.

If I was a local fan of the Coyotes I would feel a bit guilty pushing for this type of scenario.

I think this is more important than Phoenix vs Winnipeg though. The potential in Phoenix is really amazing and if a solid ownership group was in play with the right financial pieces... it would be a boon to the NHL. Winnipeg should probably have a team too, like QC.. but I think that Bettman is right to fight for Phoenix. Kansas City doesn't add much to the league, and frankly Seattle doesn't either. The league needs exposuse in markets like Phoenix.

[automaton 3]

^^^Phoenix is a major market no doubt...unfortunately the rink is in Glendale.

Not far away and no doubt hard core fans are willing to make the drive, but perhaps a harder sell for casual fans.

[fokkerfan]

Maybe we're headed towards the Coyotes back to Winnipeg and the Thrashers to Phoenix(Not Glendale).... Anything is possible!!

[Envitro]

Glendale is right in the middle pretty much. It's like 10 minutes from Downtown

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

I think this is more important than Phoenix vs Winnipeg though. The potential in Phoenix is really amazing and if a solid ownership group was in play with the right financial pieces... it would be a boon to the NHL. Winnipeg should probably have a team too, like QC.. but I think that Bettman is right to fight for Phoenix. Kansas City doesn't add much to the league, and frankly Seattle doesn't either. The league needs exposuse in markets like Phoenix.

I'm usually the person raining on Pegger's parade when it comes to the economic side of the arguement, but with regards to Phoenix it's not really that amazing a potential. First things first, there is already 3 other top sports teams in the region, all of which are more near and dear to the heart of the locals than hockey which splits up the market considerably. Factor in major college sports which are HUGE down there, and spring training baseball and you get even more of a fragmented sports scene. Also the economics of the region are highly suspect. There is not significant industry or commerce leading the way since the real estate and construction markets crashed. All said and done economically being #1 in Winnipeg at 700K population, probably equates to more than being #4 or lower in Phoenix at 5,000K population.

As a side note, Pegger's don't view this as a vote FOR Winnnipeg as much as it's a vote against Phoenix. In my mind over the next 20 years it would be a point that Winnipeg would probably lose tens of millions vs. hundreds of millions in Phoenix.