The most infuriating thing about it is, sometimes refs get calls wrong. I get that. But this wasn't like missing an offside or not seeing the ball cross the line. For whatever reason the ref decided that Van Persie and Arsenal needed an extra dose of punishment. Its not like you could even mistake Van Persie of time wasting on that occassion. The ref just wanted to be a prick. The ref can take a lot of credit for helping decide the fate of the game. Maybe that's what he was looking for.
Arsene Wenger should've pulled a Brent Sutter on the ref today (referring to Brent Sutter going off on the ref in the Columbus game after their 2nd penalty shot).
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time wasting is a yellow, kicking the ball away is time wasting
kicking the ball = yellow
Except RvP was not kicking the ball away, he was trying to score.
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I'm not upset we lost, I expected that. Barcelona are better than us - I can accept that, but their superiority is exaggerated when they can do whatever they like and a foul won't be given against them, but every ####ing thing the opposition does, foul or not gets called.
The soft sending off, missed sending off, and lack of balance with the 50/50's was frustrating. However, considering we did not lose because of disaster defending or a capitulation I'm not that frustrated, which is an odd feeling.
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After 146 minutes of play Arsenal were going through, better team or not. To say "things weren't looking good" for them is insane. That next 35 minutes could have went either way.
I think "things weren't looking sure" is what he meant or should have said.
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The irony of this coming from fans of other EPL teams. Will you concede that Arsenal is the best team in England and deserves to win every match and trophy?
Cause we wipe the floor with all of your teams in terms of possession, passing and shots.
You do have a point, I only wish it were true!
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just saw that, dono how the ref and assistant refs missed that
its a straight red
I'll tell you how low I've sunk - I'd be happy to see your lot knock Barca out even though I'd have to listen to god knows what for the rest of my life. But that won't happen, not just because Barca are better than Spurs, but because when Barca need help, they'll get it - just like they did against Chelsea.
When Barca were playing Chelsea, I wanted Barca to win because I loved their football and I do not care for Chelsea at all. By the end of the match that Chelsea should have had at least three pens, I was spitting fire when Chelsea were robbed at the death.
I get upset when we perform badly, but I always have hope ( a lot of it misplaced) we can improve, but when you get referreeing like that, there is no hope, and that is what I just cannot take.
I'll tell you how low I've sunk - I'd be happy to see your lot knock Barca out even though I'd have to listen to god knows what for the rest of my life. But that won't happen, not just because Barca are better than Spurs, but because when Barca need help, they'll get it - just like they did against Chelsea.
When Barca were playing Chelsea, I wanted Barca to win because I loved their football and I do not care for Chelsea at all. By the end of the match that Chelsea should have had at least three pens, I was spitting fire when Chelsea were robbed at the death.
I get upset when we perform badly, but I always have hope ( a lot of it misplaced) we can improve, but when you get referreeing like that, there is no hope, and that is what I just cannot take.
They are just like the Detroit Red wings, the refs will bend over backwards to make sure the super elite team of football has the upper hand. It disgusts me.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
It is games like this that turn me off of soccer completely, Arsenal were screwed as far as I'm concerned. Not saying they were the best team on the pitch, far from it...just pissed off.
I knew there would be trouble when they said it was an all Swiss officiating crew...
That said, Arsenal could have had 2 van Persies out there and they still would have lost. I'm a amazed they even got a goal at all.
I knew there would be trouble when they said it was an all Swiss officiating crew...
That said, Arsenal could have had 2 van Persies out there and they still would have lost. I'm a amazed they even got a goal at all.
time wasting is a yellow, kicking the ball away is time wasting
kicking the ball = yellow
By the letter and spirit of the law:
Kicking the ball to waste time = yellow
Kicking the ball because you were following through and/or couldn't hear the whistle = not yellow
Also, the more delay between the offside and the whistle, the more likely it is the ball is going to be kicked. Worth noting too that Van Persie didn't have any visual cue that play was over from the other players because they were all behind him.
its 2 seconds after the flag went up and whistle went, Valdes was further away and he knew it was offside
he had space, if he actually didn't think he was offside he doesn't take an off balance shot with his right foot
I think it was out of frustration, and he probably regretted it right after he did it
it was a soft call, and I would be extremely pissed if I was an Arsenal fan, and it's something that 'shouldn't be called' especially as a 2nd yellow, but I do think RVP was frustrated and he meant to kick the ball away
Arsenal were never going to win the CL, their fans shouldn't be too disappointed they are out. Needing to focus on the league is a bigger priority I'd think. They actually have a legitimate shot at winning that, whereas the CL is a pipe dream especially when you look at his squad.
Arsene Wenger and Samir Nasri have been charged by UEFA over their comments to Swiss referee Massimo Busacca following Arsenal's Champions League defeat to Barcelona.
Both men have been charged with improper conduct for "inappropriate language" directed at the match official in the aftermath of a 3-1 defeat at Camp Nou, according to UEFA. The disciplinary case will be heard on March 17.
However, there is no indication that Van Persie himself has been charged, despite calling Busacca a "joke" in a post-match interview.
If I were them I would be trying not to mention that call at all, just more arrogance.
Speaking of arrogance, heres what Xavi had to say....:
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Xavi has offered an uncompromising appraisal of Arsenal's performance in their 3-1 defeat to Barcelona on Tuesday night, saying he was disappointed by the lack of intent shown by the Gunners.
Arsenal failed to muster a single shot at Camp Nou as they were eliminated 4-3 on aggregate, the first time a team has failed to do so since Opta's Champions League records began in 2003.
"This is a fair result," Xavi told the Barcelona official website. "We were the superior team both in the away game and at home. There's justice in football. They had clearly come here to defend. They didn't even have one single shot on goal. I expected a lot more from them to be honest.
"Arsenal really didn't want to play football. All they cared about was defending. The red card did affect the game, but the decision was right in my opinion."
At the Camp Nou on Wednesday, the taste of failure was once again on Wenger's lips, but a more repugnant flavour was present because of the spineless manner of the defeat. He and his players may have at least emerged with some credit against one of the world's greatest ever club sides, had they adhered to the Frenchman's oft-preached 'philosophy'. They didn't.
While Arsenal fans can understandably be perturbed by the Dutchman's ridiculous dismissal by a referee who showed not one iota of common sense, they should be more concerned by the key statistic to emerge from their second successive European exit to Barcelona. Quite simply, no side can expect to progress in the Champions League without posting a single shot on, or even off, goal.
Lots of interesting stuff in there. No shortage of controversy at any rate.
One thing I will say though is that as much as I really dont have any love for Arsenal, I really, really dislike Barcelona. They're just far too arrogant for my liking and they get away with murder. Everyone wants them to win and does what it takes to make that happen and thats detrimental to the game.
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Arsenal were never going to win the CL, their fans shouldn't be too disappointed they are out. Needing to focus on the league is a bigger priority I'd think. They actually have a legitimate shot at winning that, whereas the CL is a pipe dream especially when you look at his squad.
Yeah, pipe dream
Have you ever watched sports?
That's like saying The Flames making the finals in 04 was a pipe dream, or Birmingham beating Arsenal in the Carling Cup last week was a pipe dream.
Barcelona is the most difficult matchup for Arsenal in all of soccer; if they had got past them, they'd have much more than a pipe dreams chance of winning the whole thing.
and Xavi is an arrogant idiot; it's not like Arsenal didn't want to get a shot.
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I dont get the Bale love. Capello saying hes the best player in the world? Hes had a couple of good games, but really, I think hes got a long ways to go to prove himself still.
Hes certainly a very good player, but the absolute best? Really? I dont see it.
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hes not even the best player on Spurs, that would be Modric
he's going to be in the discussion in a few years time though, he has pace, stamina, left food, some trickery, and a good shot, and he demands a double team
Anyways, the AC/Spurs game should be good. Another game I'm not too concerned about, but I would be if I were AC, everything I've read makes it seem as though they're really not taking this very seriously.
I think either of them could go through, but reading the reports out of the Milan outfit they're really unconcerned. Oh well, if that their attitude then see what happens on the pitch.
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If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
Arsenal were never going to win the CL, their fans shouldn't be too disappointed they are out. Needing to focus on the league is a bigger priority I'd think. They actually have a legitimate shot at winning that, whereas the CL is a pipe dream especially when you look at his squad.
I am a sportsfan first and I accept it when any team I support or play in loses. What I cannot accept is when it is engineered so that any team, whether I support them or not loses. I felt similar outrage when Chelsea got screwed over by officials against Barca a few years back.
I'm not disputing Arsenal were outplayed by a better team, but neither should anyone dispute that no matter what the pattern of play was, 11 against 11, before that BS call, Arsenal were ahead and near FT, Niklas Bendtner should have been watching Van Persie bury the chance he missed.
The best team is through, but it should not have been on the basis of a competition between the teams, not the decision of the referee.
