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NBC · 03-03-2011, 10:29 AM

Either he's incapable of change or he just doesn't give a toss. My vote is on the latter.

Sir Alex Ferguson charged over referee comments

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/9413347.stm

SeoulFire · 03-03-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuje

Why don't we see if Mr. Ferguson gets the same discipline as other managers get for similar criticism.

Ok now what.

Nuje · 03-03-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Ok now what.

Good job by the FA for giving him what he deserves. He doesn't get in trouble every time he does something like this (where other managers do).

Addick · 03-03-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuje

Good job by the FA for giving him what he deserves. He doesn't get in trouble every time he does something like this (where other managers do).

He pushed his luck as the FA couldn't let United off of the hook twice in under one week's time.

united · 03-03-2011, 11:42 AM

BS charge. He doesn't deserve anything. The official screwed up horribly and he got called out. It's factual statement and he's been punished for it. He doesn't give a #### though and rightfully so, I hope he keeps calling them out.

My opinion is if any official does a ####ty job and gets called out by any manager, they deserve it. Don't make ####ty calls and you wont get called out, seems pretty simple to me.

Whelan - Something is wrong when a top international like Rooney is seen doing something like this, as clear as day, and is allowed to get away without being punished.
If it was any other club or player, you can bet your life he would have been sent off. But officials seem intimidated by the words 'Rooney' and 'United'.
Manchester United are allowed to get away with things the rest of us get pulled up for. And you can't have one set of rules for one club and another for the rest.
I don't care what the FA say about the matter being dealt with at the time by us getting a free-kick. They, and everyone else in football, know justice isn't being served here.
The FA will be delighted they can hide behind their rules and let Rooney off, as they are frightened of taking sanctions against him and his club.

No charge.

Pulis - Give West Brom credit for coming back at us after we'd scored the goal but then looking at their goal, it's a shocking decision by the linesman.
If he can't get that right then what's he doing officiating at our level? It's a poor, poor decision.

No charge.

Yeah, other managers always get in trouble. (I know Whelan isn't a manager, but same point)

united · 03-03-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Addick

He pushed his luck as the FA couldn't let United off of the hook twice in under one week's time.

They were following precedent. Look at Gerrard on Brown last season. It would have been inconsistent to punish Rooney further.

united · 03-03-2011, 12:47 PM

Kolo Toure failed a drug test and has been suspended by MCFC. What are th chances he is given a similar ban to Ferdinand's 8 month ban for taking a test late (inexcusable) and it coming out clean?

NBC · 03-03-2011, 12:56 PM

Difference is that Fergie's comments were of a personal nature. He didn't just say that someone blew a call, he essentially questioned the referee's objectivity and integrity as an FA match official.

"You want a fair referee - or a strong referee, anyway - and we didn't get that."

"When I saw who the referee was I did fear it. I feared the worst."

He deserves everything he gets in this instance - absolutely.

NBC · 03-03-2011, 01:02 PM

Interesting article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9379989.stm

Since the start of the 2007/8 season, 15 opposition players have been sent off against Manchester United at Old Trafford, while only three home players have been dismissed.
And as far as penalties go, opposition teams have given away eight at Old Trafford since 2007, while United have conceded only two.

Just to show I'm not totally biased -

Six Chelsea players have been sent off at Stamford Bridge since 2007, twice the number of opposition players who have received red cards, while the Blues have won 18 penalties, six times the number of spot-kicks won by visiting teams.

d_phaneuf · 03-03-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by united

They were following precedent. Look at Gerrard on Brown last season. It would have been inconsistent to punish Rooney further.

the reason Rooney got no further punishment wasn't because of the FA, they wanted too

it was because Clattenburg said he thought that the foul alone was enough, probably because he was staring straight at it when it happened and he only gave a free kick

d_phaneuf · 03-03-2011, 01:21 PM

http://www.coleofduty.com/

united · 03-03-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the reason Rooney got no further punishment wasn't because of the FA, they wanted too

it was because Clattenburg said he thought that the foul alone was enough, probably because he was staring straight at it when it happened and he only gave a free kick

Exactly. That is the same as the Gerrard/Brown incident so I don't know why people are upset Rooney wasn't punished further. They were consistent and got it right in this case.

d_phaneuf · 03-03-2011, 01:41 PM

LOL

250,000 quid a week doesn't get you much these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ty/9413738.stm

can't be anything performance enhancing based on his play this year

SeoulFire · 03-03-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuje

Good job by the FA for giving him what he deserves. He doesn't get in trouble every time he does something like this (where other managers do).

Care to back that up or am I supposed to just accept this at face value?

SeoulFire · 03-03-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NBC

Interesting article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9379989.stm

Since the start of the 2007/8 season, 15 opposition players have been sent off against Manchester United at Old Trafford, while only three home players have been dismissed.
And as far as penalties go, opposition teams have given away eight at Old Trafford since 2007, while United have conceded only two.

Just to show I'm not totally biased -

Six Chelsea players have been sent off at Stamford Bridge since 2007, twice the number of opposition players who have received red cards, while the Blues have won 18 penalties, six times the number of spot-kicks won by visiting teams.

Perhaps you should have then added the following quote in the article:

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"Teams that visit Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge would normally come as underdogs and adopt a defensive strategy and would statistically commit more fouls," said Forrest.

Nuje · 03-03-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Care to back that up or am I supposed to just accept this at face value?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...563.html<br />
There's one. He also wasn't punished for knocking Alan Wiley's fitness (Wiley...who ran more than any of his players that match...). The FA simply said if he says sorry, they'll let it go.

Not to mention the pure hypocracy that he's complaining about a ref not seeing something properly, or in the same way he did regarding Luiz. Of course, he says they did the right thing when Rooney got simply a foul and nothing more for his elbow. The ref gave only a foul due to only seeing that with his peripheral vision.

From now on any instance of Ferguson getting away with it, I'll save it away just for you.

SeoulFire · 03-03-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuje

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...563.html<br />
There's one. He also wasn't punished for knocking Alan Wiley's fitness (Wiley...who ran more than any of his players that match...). The FA simply said if he says sorry, they'll let it go.

Not to mention the pure hypocracy that he's complaining about a ref not seeing something properly, or in the same way he did regarding Luiz. Of course, he says they did the right thing when Rooney got simply a foul and nothing more for his elbow. The ref gave only a foul due to only seeing that with his peripheral vision.

From now on any instance of Ferguson getting away with it, I'll save it away just for you.

Now that would be swell of you but it still would not address the initial question.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-dowd-respect

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...tez-portsmouth

United posted a few examples above as well.

It happens...get over it. The obsession many of you have with SAF is disturbing.

NBC · 03-03-2011, 02:47 PM

I hardly think that 5 & 6 times the red cards/penalties are justifiable, regardless of the visiting team's tactics. Big teams get a greater percentage of favorable calls at home. That is just the way it is.

The real issue as to why he is getting punished is that he made this round of comments personal. That is unacceptable in the FA's eyes. Questioning decisions, fine. Questioning a match official's integrity, unacceptable.

Nuje · 03-03-2011, 02:53 PM

There has to be something to it when all kinds of football fans take after the comments was "here we go again, nothing will happen to Ferguson". I don't understand why you can't just admit it that Ferguson does get favourable treatment. All of the United fans I know personally will freely admit that he gets away with more than other managers (not to mention one such fan, who sometimes after losses says "Why didn't we get Fergie time??")

Locke · 03-03-2011, 03:17 PM

Ferguson is deflecting. Hes diverting attention away from his team who barely hung on in that second half against Chelsea.

Its a tactic and Fergie does it all the time because he knows he'll get away with a fair bit and because he doesnt care if he does get the book thrown at him. I doubt he pays his own fines and touchline bans are a joke.