For sure, but that's because smoking it is the path of least resistance. I'm sure it will always be that way, but if it were legal it would be cool to walk into a liquor store and buy some weed cookies or whatever.
I am sorry rubecube, but I think you have been consuming a little too much lately if you believe that the legalization of pot will not cause any increase in consumption.
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
If you're going to argue a point, the onus is kind of on you to prove the points you're making....just saying. Just telling me to read a book doesn't really work.
But I decided to research it myself and can't find any official source that actually documents caffeine deaths per year. So the ball is back in your court HOOT
Do you honestly believe that people don't overdose from too much caffefine?
Although healthy people can tolerate caffeine in moderation, heavy caffeine consumption, such as drinking energy drinks, has been associated with even more serious consequences such as seizures, mania, stroke, and sudden death.
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Ireland’s poison center reported 17 energy-drink adverse events including confusion, tachycardia, and seizures and 2 deaths between1999 and 2005
Okay now your turn to show me deaths with Marijuana by overdose.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Why is the discussion even on the topic of overdose?
The point is that weed in moderate amounts might alter cognitive function negatively.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
I am sorry rubecube, but I think you have been consuming a little too much lately if you believe that the legalization of pot will not cause any increase in consumption.
Did you know how lazy people are? Do you know what lengths product manufacturers will go through to get product placement at eye level in a grocery store. Convenience means a lot to north americans. We aren't even willing to bend over to grab a box of cheerios, let alone seek out our local drug dealer.
The way it is now is much easier for the lazy person. I can call a drug dealer and he'll deliver the pot. If you're worried about advertising, etc., just employ the same rules they have for not displaying cigarettes.
Sliver is right, I would say 95% of the time I vaporize, and when I do smoke a J it's only with friends or convinence. I just say smoke because it weird to type vapor instead.
So you vaporize 5-10 joints worth a day but only do it after work hours and on the weekend?
Are you ever sober when you're not at work?
I have two problems with marijuana...
1. It is illegal. I think there are risks involved with using it because of this factor. I also believe that it being illegal is part of the attraction for many people. I have had people very, very close to me bring it into my vehicle without telling me and then suddenly pull out a pipe and go to town. Are you freaking kidding me? I've got a family. I don't want to go to jail because you are too preoccupied to recognize that you are putting someone else at risk with your behavior. I hope for your friends and family sake that you are more conscientious than that.
2. Smoking. You seem to be smart enough to avoid this pitfall. Good on you. Smoking anything ie inhaling superheated gas, is destructive every time you do it. Every time. It takes a lot of smoking to completely destroy your lungs, but many, many people accomplish that in their lifetime. Potheads like to tout that marijuana is healthier than cigarettes but it's a stupid, stupid argument if it is being smoked. It's kind of like saying jumping off a 10 story building is healthier than swallowing a 12 guage and pulling the trigger. Melodramatic analogy, I know.
I'm not necessarily against legalization, but I think a lot of the arguments used for legalization are a complete joke. Of course, legalization would eliminate part of the problem I have with it.
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"Regarding marijuana deaths. Granted they aren't typically documented, but the FDA, in their schedule of drug classification reported deaths, does show that while pharmaceutical deaths are significantly higher than marijuana, death, marijuana was still listed as 200, the secondary cause of 279 deaths. So to me that does indicate that there is some opportunity there for danger."
I totally understand the point you're making but I have trouble when people such as yourself make outlandish claims that marihuana doesn't cause deaths. And just to clarify, I just wanted a study that showed caffeine deaths were higher than marijuana. I totally believe caffeine deaths occur, I just highly doubt a)that its true...or b) trying to find actual statistics.
You can ignore it all you want, but the evidence is there. Maybe the weed is giving you delusions?
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Cannabis has also been linked to symptoms of inattention and deficits in learning and memory. ...cannabis use (was) significantly related to poorer episodic memory function in a dose-related manner. For attentional measures, decrements of small effect sizes were found. Error measures in tonic and phasic alertness tasks, selective attention task and vigilance showed small but significant effects, suggesting a stronger tendency to experience lapses of attention. No indication for differences in reaction time was found. The results are consistent with decrements of memory and attentional performance described in previous studies.
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Indlekofer, F. Piechatzek, M. Daamen, M. Glasmacher, C. Lieb, R. Pfister, H. Tucha, O. Lange, K W. Wittchen, H U. Schutz, C G.
Reduced memory and attention performance in a population-based sample of young adults with a moderate lifetime use of cannabis
Journal of Psychopharmacology. 23(5):495-509, 2009 Jul.
Here's a good one. Longitudinal study that used neurocognitive tests to assess various cognitive parameters in 113 subjects throughout their lives since infancy. It showed that:
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After accounting for potentially confounding factors and pre-drug performance in the appropriate cognitive domain, current regular heavy users did significantly worse than non-users in overall IQ, processing speed, immediate, and delayed memory.
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Fried, P A. Watkinson, B. Gray, R.
Neurocognitive consequences of marihuana--a comparison with pre-drug performance.
Neurotoxicology & Teratology. 27(2):231-9, 2005 Mar-Apr.
I can't find a link but these are the numbers that I have seen numerous times in books, documentaries, etc.
ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS
TOBACCO …………………… 400,000
ALCOHOL …………………… 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ………….20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ……….15,000
CAFFEINE …………………….2,000
ASPIRIN ………………………500
MARIJUANA …………………. 0
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Source: United States government, National Institute on Drug Abuse, Bureau of Mortality Statistics
But like you said no one is going to change any minds here so it's pointless to continue on. Even if we assume 200 annual deaths that is still a lot less than any other drug out there. IMO most people are too lazy to learn about the drug and instead just listen to what the government tells them about it. Going all the way back to the 70's you had Nixon giving false reports about brain damage, then when someone tells shows him a report on how safe it actually is he throws it out and continues his drug war which has cost the US taxpayers close to $1Trillion to police it, not to mention the other $1Trillion dollars they missed out on tax revenue.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
You can ignore it all you want, but the evidence is there. Maybe the weed is giving you delusions?
Nope. I'm just not going to assume because it effects someone one way, it will effect me another. If you want to get into a battle of studies there are just as many that claim marijuana to be fine. And honestly I'm not going to waste my time anymore because it's pointless. You are either against it or for it, and for most they won't change their mind.
Are you advocating for alcohol, cigarettes and prescription drugs to be outlawed too?
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Nope. I'm just not going to assume because it effects someone one way, it will effect me another.
That is why random clinical trials exist. They take into account sampling error and biological variation when determining that there are statistically significant risks to marijuana.
That is why random clinical trials exist. They take into account sampling error and biological variation when determining that there are statistically significant risks to marijuana.
It's tough to teach the ignorant.
Yet in the 70's they brought out a report showing that it caused brain damage. Years later the truth about those studies were released and it was found to be bunk information. And there is plenty random clinical trials showing there are zero to minimal health risks to marijuana. It's all about who pays for the trial, just like when scientists wanted to release a study showing it didn't cause lung cancer and the US government made them change their results.
Again...are you for making cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs illegal or anything harmful to the human body?
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Yet in the 70's they brought out a report showing that it caused brain damage. Years later the truth about those studies were released and it was found to be bunk information. And there is plenty random clinical trials showing there are zero to minimal health risks to marijuana. It's all about who pays for the trial, just like when scientists wanted to release a study showing it didn't cause lung cancer and the US government made them change their results.
So you're going to discredit all experimental evidence (the best we have) because of a few corrupt sponsors in the 70s?
Feel free to post some of the studies that show minimal health risks.
Even if they exist, you're really willing to gamble on your health? There are studies showing risks, some showing none. How could you possibly know which category of people you fall under; those vulnerable or those not, when even our highest levels of research cannot tell us these things?
Gamble away. But at least don't preach to others that it's completely harmless and has no addictive properties.
Gamble away. But at least don't preach to others that it's completely harmless and has no addictive properties.
I will. I will preach whatever I want, I have seen enough information on the subject to not be worried at all.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Seen enough but ignored anything against your opinion.
Damn government, controlling our minds through the water supply...
Not ignoring anything, just not worried about it. You must be one perfect human.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
So you vaporize 5-10 joints worth a day but only do it after work hours and on the weekend?
2. Smoking. You seem to be smart enough to avoid this pitfall. Good on you. Smoking anything ie inhaling superheated gas, is destructive every time you do it. Every time. It takes a lot of smoking to completely destroy your lungs, but many, many people accomplish that in their lifetime. Potheads like to tout that marijuana is healthier than cigarettes but it's a stupid, stupid argument if it is being smoked. It's kind of like saying jumping off a 10 story building is healthier than swallowing a 12 guage and pulling the trigger. Melodramatic analogy, I know.
It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about on this.
1.when you vaporize you require a fraction of what you do when smoking. By fraction I mean much less than a quarter of mass. What I used to smoke in one night would last at least a week vaporizing.
2.most vaporizers don't have temperatures that high and have an apparatus that delivers the vapor through a non-absorbant medium so that the vapor is luke warm at most when it gets to your mouth.
That's why people do it, it's cheap as hell, doesn't hurt your lungs at all and gives you less of a headache (these are the professionally made ones of course)
