Study links cannabis use to psychosis

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by rubecube

For sure. Although my favourite example was how mad a friend of mine got when a few of us went to a hockey game in Van last year. A friend and I drank a whole bunch of beer and got pretty drunk and she gave us the whole "You can't have fun without drinking?" speech. Then the next day we went to the aquarium but as we were walking to the front door she went into full panic mode and told us to go ahead because she needed to get high first. Purely anecdotal and it's not really a reflection of all potheads, just some that I know.

That's brutal, I hate people like that (also pretty much sums up the culture on Van Island, I used to live in Nanaimo in 04-05). With me its the exact opposite here, with some of my boozer buddies always giving me a look when I wanna spark one. To the point where I won't even smoke around a few of em anymore, because they'll just give me a disapproving look/snide remarks the whole night. Can pretty sum it up as hypocrites in general are annoying. As well as people who try to tell you how to live constantly.

On a side note, I can see how being at the aquarium high would be interesting haha.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Marijuana is habitual, not addictive.

Wrong.

42.4% of subjects had experienced a lifetime withdrawal syndrome, of whom 70.4% reported using cannabis in response to withdrawal. During the index quit attempt, 95.5% of subjects reported > or =1 individual withdrawal symptom (mean [SD] 9.5 [6.1], median 9.0); 43.1% reported > or =10. Number of withdrawal symptoms was significantly associated with greater frequency and amount of cannabis use, but symptoms occurred even in those using less than weekly. Symptoms were usually of > or = moderate intensity and often prompted actions to relieve them.

From:
Cannabis withdrawal symptoms in non-treatment-seeking adult cannabis smokers.
Levin, Kenneth H. Copersino, Marc L. Heishman, Stephen J. Liu, Fang. Kelly, Deanna L. Boggs, Douglas L. Gorelick, David A.
Drug & Alcohol Dependence. 111(1-2):120-7, 2010 Sep 1

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Wrong.

I'm not saying it's 100% non-addictive, anything can be addictive to some people. But when you look at stats that show dependancy on certain drugs like cigarettes (21% of people) alcohol (11%), Koke (7%) and Marijuana (4%). Marijuana always seems to be the lowest. Coffee (caffine) has even shown to cause more deaths and worse addictions. I'm not saying it's a perfect drug and causes no harm, I'm saying there are worse things the police and the government should be worried about.

In Canada we spend $500m in enforcing drug laws, $400m of that is spent on marijuana. There is a fight that they lost decades ago but most won't give up their stance. You see more public figures fighting for legalization so it's going in the right direction to not only save tax money but create more tax revenue.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

That's brutal, I hate people like that (also pretty much sums up the culture on Van Island, I used to live in Nanaimo in 04-05). With me its the exact opposite here, with some of my boozer buddies always giving me a look when I wanna spark one. To the point where I won't even smoke around a few of em anymore, because they'll just give me a disapproving look/snide remarks the whole night. Can pretty sum it up as hypocrites in general are annoying. As well as people who try to tell you how to live constantly.

Oh I bug my pothead friends when they get high but mostly just in jest. We call two of my friends the glimmer twins.

[robocop]

When I'm around high people I always just point at nothing and say "what's that?". Usually keeps em busy for 5 minutes.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh I bug my pothead friends when they get high but mostly just in jest. We call two of my friends the glimmer twins.

lol glimmer twins, that's not bad. Oh ya that stuff's fine, guys like that are funny. I have a buddy that turns into my dad whenever I smoke (e.g. if I miss something someone says, he'll be like "probably because you're f***ing high" in this better than me tone), I've had a couple beak sessions with him before. Worst part is he's always, always the drunkest guy at parties. He's that guy. Which is all good, if he wasn't such a damn hypocrite.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm not saying it's 100% non-addictive, anything can be addictive to some people.

Then don't say:

Originally Posted by HOOT

Marijuana is habitual, not addictive.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Then don't say:

No. It falls closer to habitual than it does addictive for most people. Even the US government has come out to say it isn't an addictive drug, why would they do that?

[Starfishy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Except that there's no reason to believe that legalizing pot will cause a dramatic increase in the consumption of it. I don't avoid pot because it's illegal. I avoid it because I don't find getting high all that enjoyable. We're basically paying the same health care costs now without the revenue to potentially offset it.

I am sorry rubecube, but I think you have been consuming a little too much lately if you believe that the legalization of pot will not cause any increase in consumption.

Did you know how lazy people are? Do you know what lengths product manufacturers will go through to get product placement at eye level in a grocery store. Convenience means a lot to north americans. We aren't even willing to bend over to grab a box of cheerios, let alone seek out our local drug dealer.

[Starfishy]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Anyone who expects no damage to their body from inhaling the smoke of a dry plant is crazy. But I bet if you dried out your lawn grass and smoked it you would see the same effects. Which is why Vaporizing is the only way to 'smoke' marijuana. The high is just as good, if not better, it's cleaner and you save youself inhaling dried plant/rollies.

I understand that you are fighting the good fight here, and I commend you for sticking in against so many. That said I am going to join the pile. Don't you smoke joints? I seem to recall you saying something about smoking joints somewhere? I am too lazy to check back in this thread... heck I am too lazy to bend down for a box of cheerios.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm not saying it's 100% non-addictive, anything can be addictive to some people. But when you look at stats that show dependancy on certain drugs like cigarettes (21% of people) alcohol (11%), Koke (7%) and Marijuana (4%). Marijuana always seems to be the lowest. Coffee (caffine) has even shown to cause more deaths and worse addictions. I'm not saying it's a perfect drug and causes no harm, I'm saying there are worse things the police and the government should be worried about.

In Canada we spend $500m in enforcing drug laws, $400m of that is spent on marijuana. There is a fight that they lost decades ago but most won't give up their stance. You see more public figures fighting for legalization so it's going in the right direction to not only save tax money but create more tax revenue.

Do you actually have some sort of proof that caffeine kills more people annually than marihuana?!?!?! I'd love to see it.

Furthermore, the reason for such a large portion of drug enforcing laws isn't to necessairly stop the marihuana aspect...its to stop all the other things that tie into the selling and profitability of weed. Its like trying to stop the underground crime rings that use the selling of marihuana as their income. You remove their income, its a lot harder for these groups to continue.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

I am sorry rubecube, but I think you have been consuming a little too much lately if you believe that the legalization of pot will not cause any increase in consumption.

There is data showing that marijuana use droped in Netherlands and Portugal when they changed the laws. Netherlands also have the lowest percentage of marijuana users than any other country in Europe.

Not to mention the consumption for youths is over 4 times lower in Netherlands than in the US (9% vs 40% - ages 12-18). Go read some of the research done comparing a country that has actually done this and you will see it's not as frightening as people think.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

I understand that you are fighting the good fight here, and I commend you for sticking in against so many. That said I am going to join the pile. Don't you smoke joints? I seem to recall you saying something about smoking joints somewhere? I am too lazy to check back in this thread... heck I am too lazy to bend down for a box of cheerios.

Sorry for not being clear, must be my stoner brain , but I meant 5-10 joints worth of weed. I find it easier talking to most people using the term "joint" and "smoke" because if I said I vapor 10 bowls a day no one would have a clue what I'm talking about, well some would but they are not the ones who need convincing.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Do you actually have some sort of proof that caffeine kills more people annually than marihuana?!?!?! I'd love to see it.

Again I'm just going by numbers that were given by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. You can read his book "Marijuana Revisited" or watch the movie "The Union - The Business of Getting High".

[Matata]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Do you actually have some sort of proof that caffeine kills more people annually than marihuana?!?!?! I'd love to see it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=caffeine+related+deaths

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=marijuana+related+deaths

pfew, I'm exhausted.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Again I'm just going by numbers that were given by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. You can read his book "Marijuana Revisited" or watch the movie "The Union - The Business of Getting High".

If you're going to argue a point, the onus is kind of on you to prove the points you're making....just saying. Just telling me to read a book doesn't really work.

But I decided to research it myself and can't find any official source that actually documents caffeine deaths per year. So the ball is back in your court HOOT

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Matata

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=caffeine+related+deaths

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=marijuana+related+deaths

pfew, I'm exhausted.

You didn't read the results did you?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by robocop

When I'm around high people I always just point at nothing and say "what's that?". Usually keeps em busy for 5 minutes.

Sounds like it keeps you busy as well...

[CaptainCrunch]

Wow, reading those caffine related deaths is eye opening to say the least, based on what these people consumed in a short period of time.

Its probably equivalent to a heroin user injecting a slurpee cup worth of drugs into their system.

[AvsJerk]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

The argument I am hearing here that I find most humorous is the people saying that we won't see tax revenue because individuals will just grow it themselves. Yeah, much like all tomato consumers across Canada also grow their own tomatoes. It is just as viable to grow these in a hydroponics setup. Time, effort, space, product quality and most of all economics will all greatly limit the amount of personal grow ops.

I have to disagree. Many people grow tomatoes...I'd wager that many CP users grow tomatoes...maybe not with hydro set-ups, but in gardens. Heck, a tomato really isn't even all that expensive when compared to weed and many people still grow them for different reasons, a couple being: homegrown toms taste better than store bought, it's kind of fun to grow your own and share with friends and family, etc (same would apply to marijuana).

Now imagine if you had to be 21 to buy tomatoes at the store and that a bag of them was going to cost you $50 to $100. How many more people do you think would be growing them at home? You might even see people growing tomatoes indoors during the winter.

Is it really that hard to believe that many pot smokers would be growing a few plants for personal use rather than buying it at stores and paying taxes on it? I hardly ever smoke weed anymore...maybe 3 bowls the last couple of years, but if it were legal for me to grow at home I would. That's why the government would have to sell grow licenses, even for casual growers...only way they would really make money off it. Just my opinion of course.