Mulitculturalism in Canada: success or failure?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Exactly, all the whiteys will be gone from Europe in a generation.

Hmm, maybe I was unclear. I meant that the indigenous population of Canada has been so thoroughly subjugated. Nenshi touches on that in talking about how Canada is a young country. As one of the biggest cities in the country Calgary is still only 135 years old or so. Basically, Canada's a young immigrant country because the indigenous population was conquered and subjugated as Europeans moved in and the country which has been established since then lacks a dense population and lacks a large population with culture rooted deeply in the locale where they live. That's a big part of what makes Canada a great place for immigration.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Hmm, maybe I was unclear. I meant that the indigenous population of Canada has been so thoroughly subjugated.

You were clear, and the whiteys from Europe will soon be subjugated from their homeland like the Native population of Canada was.

[JohnnyB]

^^
Ok. Got it.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Um, sorry but what? I'm a second generation Chinese Canadian, and I was never encouraged to hate Canada. In fact, my parents tell me how lucky we are to be in Canada where we have universal health care and people here are friendly and actually help you when you get stranded on the road. Sure, they complain about the high tax rates in Canada, or how Calgary is so cold. But I mean, normal Canadians do that too, so what's the difference? They reminisce about things from their old country that they miss, and cheer for China to do well on the world stage and in the Olympics, but so what? That is vastly different than holding "contempt" for Canadian culture.

I'm proud to be Chinese and Canadian at the same time. I don't see any problem in that.

This is honestly the first time I've ever heard this argument about how we second gen guys are supposed to hate Canada, and I couldn't disagree more. TBH, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Rathji

I think you are totally out to lunch here.

In fact, I cannot think of a single solitary instance where I have observed anything even close to what you are saying, and I grew up in Forest Lawn and have worked most of my life with a large majority of my coworkers being first or second gen Canadians.

People who grow up in Canada are extremely Canadianized by our media, our school system and their friends, simply because they have never known anything else. People who move here, need to learn a new language, new ways of doing things and even re-educate in order to have a 'good' job. Often they just socialize within thier own community of other first gen immmigrants and this is why you have people who have lived here for 10 years and still don't speak English much.

Good to see I am not the only one who thinks the world revolves around themselves!

Save me the self-righteous sanctimony. You don't have to give me the big story of immigrant troubles, challenges and changes they go through, etc, etc.... A situation I am currently going through myself. I already know the spiel.

I am not talking about those people, obviously.

Being a second generation Canuck myself, like you two...I am not talking about US, either.

If you watch the Youtube clips I think it is obvious who I am talking about.


ONE EXAMPLE of what I am talking about.
VP of the Canadian Arab Federation

Another example would be the Canada's first family in Canadian loathing....let you guess who I am talking about.

Like the elephant in the room. Even with the videos no one wants to talk about it.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Not yet failure but will be if we keep following the European multiculturalism idea.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Good to see I am not the only one who thinks the world revolves around themselves!

Save me the self-righteous sanctimony. You don't have to give me the big story of immigrant troubles, challenges and changes they go through, etc, etc.... A situation I am currently going through myself. I already know the spiel.

I am not talking about those people, obviously.

Being a second generation Canuck myself, like you two...I am not talking about US, either.

If you watch the Youtube clips I think it is obvious who I am talking about.


ONE EXAMPLE of what I am talking about.
VP of the Canadian Arab Federation

Another example would be the Canada's first family in Canadian loathing....let you guess who I am talking about.

Like the elephant in the room. Even with the videos no one wants to talk about it.

Not that my heritage is not relevant to my position on this matter, but my estimate is that I am between 8th and 10th generation North American, with my family moving to Alberta from the US around 1910 or so. The parts of my family that came later than that almost exclusively originated in the British Isles.

I am pretty much as white as you can get.

When I went to school with kids, or worked with adults who were "FOB", you could instantly tell. Like you said they worked very hard to fit in so they could get a good life, respected and often made (with somewhat limited success) attempts to fit in with Canadian culture.

When someone was born here, or came at a very early age, it was like night and day. Never have I come across someone like that who was bitter or held any sort of ill will toward the Canadian way of life in any respect that would be considered abnormal for a Canadian citizen. Are some of them upset? Absolutely, but there are just as many white folks like me who feel the same way about various things, so trying to attribute the contempt you are seeing to people being second gen Canadians is simply foolish and quite likely without any reasonable basis whatsoever.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Good to see I am not the only one who thinks the world revolves around themselves!

Save me the self-righteous sanctimony. You don't have to give me the big story of immigrant troubles, challenges and changes they go through, etc, etc.... A situation I am currently going through myself. I already know the spiel.

I am not talking about those people, obviously.

Being a second generation Canuck myself, like you two...I am not talking about US, either.

If you watch the Youtube clips I think it is obvious who I am talking about.


ONE EXAMPLE of what I am talking about.
VP of the Canadian Arab Federation

Another example would be the Canada's first family in Canadian loathing....let you guess who I am talking about.

Like the elephant in the room. Even with the videos no one wants to talk about it.

I just don't agree with you that this is a prevalent thing among of immigrants and second generation minorities. I'm confident that 99% of us are not promoting any sort of hate towards Canada. There are individuals that, for whatever reason, will be filled with hate and will use whatever means they can to push their ideas forward. They will use the race card to their advantage if they can, and in the case you linked, that's what they're doing. I lump these people with the same ilk as white supremacists.

I mean really, I could argue the opposite of you and say that white people are bred to hate minorities and are destroying Canada, and link it to some white supremacist articles. Is that all of a sudden the norm then?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I just don't agree with you that this is a prevalent thing among of immigrants and second generation minorities. I'm confident that 99% of us are not promoting any sort of hate towards Canada. There are individuals that, for whatever reason, will be filled with hate and will use whatever means they can to push their ideas forward. They will use the race card to their advantage if they can, and in the case you linked, that's what they're doing. I lump these people with the same ilk as white supremacists.

I mean really, I could argue the opposite of you and say that white people are bred to hate minorities and are destroying Canada, and link it to some white supremacist articles. Is that all of a sudden the norm then?

When did I say this? I didn't. You are projecting. You read what you wanted to. There is a group, polled that had

Asked about the arrests last summer of the 18 Muslim men and boys who were allegedly plotting terrorist attacks in southern Ontario, 73 per cent of the Muslim respondents said these attacks were not at all justified and 82 per cent said they had no sympathy for those who wanted to carry them out.

Nice huh! But what is scary is what is left unsaid. 100-82=18. Almost 20 % agreed that Harper deserved beheading.

Lets look at some other really UNCANADIAN values, valued by these people.

A majority of the Muslim respondents (53 per cent) would also like to see Islamic Sharia law adopted for divorce and other family disputes, and a much larger number, 86 per cent, of Canadian Muslims do not feel governments should ban the wearing of headscarves by Muslim women in public, including public schools.

53% want a law that is so far outside our values, so misogynistic, backward and base. That isn't 10-12 neo-nazi skinhead losers hanging out in their basements hating Jews.

Immigrants accepting Canadian values has nothing to do with Multiculturalism. History has shown this to be completely false. NOR is it totally at fault for minorities completely ghettoizing themselves. But it sure encourages the later.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Nice huh! But what is scary is what is left unsaid. 100-82=18. Almost 20 % agreed that Harper deserved beheading.

That is assuming that there is no level of sympathy that could be considered other than 100% agreement with their actions. I honestly cannot believe that anyone, in thinking they are making a logical argument, can say with a straight face.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.