02-11-2011, 09:14 AM
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Finally.
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02-11-2011, 09:15 AM
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#502
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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MSNBC showing live feeds of the protesters standing on top of tanks with soldiers all celebrating together.
good stuff.
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02-11-2011, 09:20 AM
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#505
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Lifetime Suspension
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Next Up - Iran! I hope.
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02-11-2011, 09:23 AM
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#506
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Originally Posted by Cheese
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Holy crap listen to the people!
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02-11-2011, 09:29 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by North East Goon
Next Up - Iran! I hope.
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Won't happen. What saved this revolution was the Armies unwillingness to to in effect get involved.
In Iran even if the Army sits it out, the revolutionary guard units won't. Something like this revolution would turn into a blood bath, and the Iranian government won't care about international backlash.
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02-11-2011, 09:29 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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GREAT point made by Chris Matthews on MSNBC just now.
I will parahrase.
"This should send a message to the 2nd amendment whackos that say you need guns to make a change as we have just witnessed a government come down without a shot fired by those who were trying to make things happen"
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02-11-2011, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by North East Goon
Next Up - Iran! I hope.
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Not going to happen unless the people take up arms. Who was it who said "violent oppression will make a violent revolution possible?"
Revolutionary Guardsmen will crush the revolution even if the army stays out in Iran
Edit: What CaptainCrunch said
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02-11-2011, 09:47 AM
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That's some pretty incredible video to watch!
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02-11-2011, 09:57 AM
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Great news! really happy for the Egyptian people and some of my Egyptian friends couldn't be happier.
Lets just hope power doesn't fall into the wrong hands now.
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02-11-2011, 10:33 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by puckluck
Great news! really happy for the Egyptian people and some of my Egyptian friends couldn't be happier.
Lets just hope power doesn't fall into the wrong hands now.
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That is my worry in that region now
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02-11-2011, 10:38 AM
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I have a feeling in a couple months or years these people are going to be begging for Mubarak back, but that's just a guess.
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02-11-2011, 10:40 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by transplant99
GREAT point made by Chris Matthews on MSNBC just now.
I will parahrase.
"This should send a message to the 2nd amendment whackos that say you need guns to make a change as we have just witnessed a government come down without a shot fired by those who were trying to make things happen"
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I'm sorry, you can't make a generalization like this.
Mubarak was 82, and as far as dictators go, he really wasn't all that bad. If you's tried this with many other dictators (ones who have a firm grasp of the army) they would have gassed and/or shot the protestors at the first signs of trouble.
Violence will always be a necessity in some revolutions.
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02-11-2011, 10:40 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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So what side are we on in this conflict? I tend to be anti-protestor as a rule, but this seems to be a valid protest.
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02-11-2011, 10:44 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by The Goon
So what side are we on in this conflict? I tend to be anti-protestor as a rule, but this seems to be a valid protest.
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I think there is a big difference between North American college kids who need a more active social life and what went on in Egypt.
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02-11-2011, 10:45 AM
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Norm!
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I think that these people were justified in their protests and for the most part they did it in a non violent fashion.
I'm usually anti-protestor because a lot of the protests that we see especially in the Western World are just stupid.
Egypt has not been served by its leaders for the last decade or so, and the country is rotting because of it.
But they need a government that can actually fix their economy and get the trains moving on time so to speak. What they don't need is a goverrnment who's first steps are to re write their constitution.
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02-11-2011, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blankall
I'm sorry, you can't make a generalization like this.
Mubarak was 82, and as far as dictators go, he really wasn't all that bad. If you's tried this with many other dictators (ones who have a firm grasp of the army) they would have gassed and/or shot the protestors at the first signs of trouble.
Violence will always be a necessity in some revolutions.
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I agree . . . . there have probably more revolutions settled by spears and shooting than the opposite, although, the latter is certainly becoming more common in the last 20 or so years.
Right now, you don't really know if anything has fundamentally changed, in spite of the lovely images.
However, across the Middle East, Muslim world in particular, this is a watershed moment for a region badly in need of advancement out of centuries of stagnation. Even if nothing fundamental in the way Egypt actually governs itself changes in the immediate, the people have seen their empowerment.
This will not be the last of these images across this region.
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02-11-2011, 10:53 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Cowperson
I agree . . . . there have probably more revolutions settled by spears and shooting than the opposite, although, the latter is certainly becoming more common in the last 20 or so years.
Right now, you don't really know if anything has fundamentally changed, in spite of the lovely images.
However, across the Middle East, Muslim world in particular, this is a watershed moment for a region badly in need of advancement out of centuries of stagnation. Even if nothing fundamental in the way Egypt actually governs itself changes in the immediate, the people have seen their empowerment.
This will not be the last of these images across this region.
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I don't know if I agree totally with this statement. Egypt and Tunisia and Jordan might be Muslim states in name, but I don't think that they're theocracies except in name only.
The Governments also didn't or don't have control over their armed forces to the extent that they needed to survive.
The governments in Iran are another nut to bust entirely, and I don't think you'll see large scale demonstrations there for a while.
I would hope that the Hamas government in Palestine would be one of the next governments to fall.
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02-11-2011, 11:05 AM
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#520
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