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[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Still, if those fringe players being used primarily on special teams don't think the risk associated with playing such a position are worth it for a measly $1,000,000 over three years? Why take the risk in the first place? Get a job doing something else and avoid the long term health effects of playing professional football.

I just don't understand this line of thinking. If you applied it to every other profession it would sound absurd. Why hold any companies accountable to safety standards? Their employees are compensated and if they don't like the risks involved they should find new work.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I just don't understand this line of thinking. If you applied it to every other profession it would sound absurd. Why hold any companies accountable to safety standards? Their employees are compensated and if they don't like the risks involved they should find new work.

Thank you. It's the equivalent of not using rigging on a high rise construction job 1920's style and telling people that if they don't like it they can get a job shining shoes.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I apolagize, I wasn't trying to say that special teams was not violent. I didn't say that only the stars are at risk either. Just that starting players will see a lot more reps than third string players who will be used primarily on special teams. Who makes the news when it comes to concussions? Quarter backs and recievers. Those are the players making significantly more than the one million over their entire career as you stated.

Still, if those fringe players being used primarily on special teams don't think the risk associated with playing such a position are worth it for a measly $1,000,000 over three years? Why take the risk in the first place? Get a job doing something else and avoid the long term health effects of playing professional football.

Yeah I wonder why that is, could it possibly be because those are the most high profile players and the ones who generally have the most obvious impact on the game? Just because injuries to star players recieve the most press coverage doesn't mean that they suffer more injuries.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by valo403

Thank you. It's the equivalent of not using rigging on a high rise construction job 1920's style and telling people that if they don't like it they can get a job shining shoes.

Screw that. Let's start putting lead back in shoe polish so that's cheaper to manufacture. These shoe-shiners are being compensated. If they don't like the effect of lead fumes, they can easily find less hazardous work.

[OILFAN #81]

Colts hire a new RB coach: Maryland's running back coach David Walker.

I see he has coached Lesean McCoy in the past.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I just don't understand this line of thinking. If you applied it to every other profession it would sound absurd. Why hold any companies accountable to safety standards? Their employees are compensated and if they don't like the risks involved they should find new work.

Well actually that is the way business operates. More responsibility=more risks=greater payouts.

Not only that, but look at a show like Deadliest Catch. They take huge risks physically and reap the rewards...but if they don't want to take those risks go get a "normal" job and say goodbye to the big dollars that go with it.

That isn't to say that these industries don't try to limit the risks, but at some point there are basic things required in the job and its dangerous or risky. If you aren't prepared to potentially suffer the consequences then look for something else.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well actually that is the way business operates. More responsibility=more risks=greater payouts.

Not only that, but look at a show like Deadliest Catch. They take huge risks physically and reap the rewards...but if they don't want to take those risks go get a "normal" job and say goodbye to the big dollars that go with it.

That isn't to say that these industries don't try to limit the risks, but at some point there are basic things required in the job and its dangerous or risky. If you aren't prepared to potentially suffer the consequences then look for something else.

I understand that, but it's really not the point I'm trying to make. How would if look If the companies that employed the dudes from Deadliest Catch came out publicly and said they were trying to improve safety standards so that less men died, but then supplied them with less safety equipment in order to increase their profits?

[rubecube]

Bad news for Vikings fans. The Williams bros will be serving their suspension next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6101481

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Bad news for Vikings fans. The Williams bros will be serving their suspension next season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6101481

I suppose that means Will Smith of the Saints will be serving his next year too. Crappy if true, but I'll just be happy to finally get it out of the way. This has been dragging on for 3 years now, ridiculous. It's been so long that 2 of the 3 Saints originally charged aren't even on the roster anymore.

[SportsJunky]

Agreed, get it over with. Hate to see the Williamsx2 sit out but if you do the crime...

[Pagal4321]

Well it's highly doubtful Pat Williams will be back with the Vikings, so hopefully his "replacement" is well in place by then.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I understand that, but it's really not the point I'm trying to make. How would if look If the companies that employed the dudes from Deadliest Catch came out publicly and said they were trying to improve safety standards so that less men died, but then supplied them with less safety equipment in order to increase their profits?

Is the NFL supplying the players with less safety equipment to increase profits? The helmets and pads have improved over the years. Even the rules have been changed to protect the players. All the while salaries have increased for the players. Yes, its dangerous. However the risk must be worth the reward since very few players actually decide its too dangerous and walk away from the big money.

[rubecube]

Fans file lawsuit against Cowboys, NFL.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=353090

What a massive failure this year's Super Bowl. Leave it to Jerry and the 'Boys to screw up the biggest spectating event in North America.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Fans file lawsuit against Cowboys, NFL.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=353090

What a massive failure this year's Super Bowl. Leave it to Jerry and the 'Boys to screw up the biggest spectating event in North America.

The Cowboys and Jones had nothing to do with it, at least not the stadium issues, the Super Bowl is a wholly NFL run show.

IMO these fans got the best deal of anyone in attendance. They got to watch the game from field level, which may not be the best view but would be one heck of an experience, and got to be on the field for the post game festivities. Add in that they're going to get tickets to another Super Bowl and either $2400 or round trip airfare and hotels and I'd take that deal any day of the week.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by valo403

IMO these fans got the best deal of anyone in attendance. They got to watch the game from field level, which may not be the best view but would be one heck of an experience, and got to be on the field for the post game festivities.

Not sure if all fans got that.

One of the plaintiffs is a Cowboys season ticket-holder who said some of Jones' biggest-spending fans were promised access to Super Bowl tickets and ended up with obstructed views on metal folding chairs.
"Unfortunately, not all of the ticket-holders to Super Bowl XLV got what they bargained for or what was promised to them," the lawsuit states.

The lawsuit alleges that Cowboys fans who paid US$100,000 per seat just for the right to buy season tickets were never told that their Super Bowl seats would be temporary with obstructed views. The lawsuit says the team has offered no compensation for "illegitimate seats."

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not sure if all fans got that.

Yeah, getting a seat that allows you to see one endzone is a different story. I don't get why a modern building would ever include seats like that, and there are tons in Cowboys stadium that are like that and are permanent seats. I guess people will still buy them, so why not do it.

[transplant99]

Yup.....Jones and the Cowboys most certainly share some responsibility here. No question about it.

What a massive failure this year's Super Bowl. Leave it to Jerry and the 'Boys to screw up the biggest spectating event in North America

Just a tad overstated....no?

I mean less than 1% of the people were affected by ticket problems. The cab strike had nothing to with the team or Jones. The weather also had nothing to do with any human beings, and by all accounts the hospitality was over the top for those who did make it for the week. (spent a couple hours with a local scribe yesterday who was there from Wednesday on)

Im no Cowboy fan, but i can hardly call the whole thing a failure.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup.....Jones and the Cowboys most certainly share some responsibility here. No question about it.

Just a tad overstated....no?

I mean less than 1% of the people were affected by ticket problems. The cab strike had nothing to with the team or Jones. The weather also had nothing to do with any human beings, and by all accounts the hospitality was over the top for those who did make it for the week. (spent a couple hours with a local scribe yesterday who was there from Wednesday on)

Im no Cowboy fan, but i can hardly call the whole thing a failure.

There have been reports that have come out since the game ended that suggested there were huge organization issues. Jim Rome was talking about it yesterday as well. The game itself was decent but there were a lot of issues for fans and teams.

You're right though, not all of it had to do with Jones. A lot of it just had to do with the location itself.

[calgaryrocks]

One of the plaintiffs is a Cowboys season ticket-holder who said some of Jones' biggest-spending fans were promised access to Super Bowl tickets and ended up with obstructed views on metal folding chairs.
"Unfortunately, not all of the ticket-holders to Super Bowl XLV got what they bargained for or what was promised to them," the lawsuit states.

The lawsuit alleges that Cowboys fans who paid US$100,000 per seat just for the right to buy season tickets were never told that their Super Bowl seats would be temporary with obstructed views. The lawsuit says the team has offered no compensation for "illegitimate seats."

Am I reading that right? $100,000 per seat to buy season tickets, it sounds like that isn't even the cost, just the right to buy them. how much were the tickets to the Superbowl itself? that is insane

[valo403]

Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

Am I reading that right? $100,000 per seat to buy season tickets, it sounds like that isn't even the cost, just the right to buy them. how much were the tickets to the Superbowl itself? that is insane

$100k seems like a bit of an inflated figure, the most expensive PSL I can find online at Cowboys stadium is $50k (for row 1 at the 40 yard line). I guess there could be suite level seats that go for $100k, but I find it hard to beleive that those people got shuffled to obstructed view seats.

The thing you have to remember with PSL's is that they're basically a property right. There are plenty of restrictions, but you have the ability to sell them.