Move over fluoride, here comes Calgary's clean water!

[Jake]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Emphasis added.....

Europe is largely not fluoridated.

I'd be interested to see a study that supports the claim you put in bold.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well that is a good thing if that is true. I believe there were concerns among the city council members of lack of oversight with fluoridation.

So you hope you're only getting that amount, but I'm sure concentrations vary among regions.

First you don't trust dentists, now you don't trust engineers.

[zamler]

How long does fluoridated water have to stay in the mouth for it to be effective? How much water does one have to drink per day?

[NSFL]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

..and I highly doubt Calgary City Council would have made a knee-jerk decision to remove fluoride from the water without looking at the pro's and con's, and all the studies etc.

...here you sit complaining about it after the fact, but you could have shown up to the hearings and presented some facts to support fluoridation.

You're very interesting. 90% of your posts almost seem anti-establishment and yet here you are having faith in the government.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

No, Kybosh will probably tell you how you can not lump compounds together simply because they both contain F.

The chemistry of fluoride and the fluorine in the structures of Prozac and Sarin are completely different. I will give you that fluoride is released from Sarin when it reacts but the fluoride is not the concern with this compound.

No logic allowed here, I heard it makes people sterile and passive.

edit:

I remember when they had the plebiscites for this. The anti-fluoride people complained about molting of teeth and it would be terrible in a few years just like in all these other places that put fluoride in. now I am not a dentist, nor do I keep up to date with all the dental trends in our country, but has this happened at all in the 20 years since it has been put in?

[SeeBass]

as a person with personal experiance

I lived the first 8 years of my life with flouride water then moved to an enviroment that did not have it I was the on;y kid in 4th grade that has never had a cavity

[zamler]

Flouride is naturally occurring in water and food, the only question is how much you ingest depending on where you live and what you eat.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by zamler

Flouride is naturally occurring in water and food, the only question is how much you ingest depending on where you live and what you eat.

Good, then we don't need to spend 6 million on new facilities and $750 000 a year because it's already naturally occurring! /debate

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well that is a good thing if that is true. I believe there were concerns among the city council members of lack of oversight with fluoridation.

So you hope you're only getting that amount, but I'm sure concentrations vary among regions.

The whole point of a fluoridation program is to regulate the concentration and keep it as constant as possible, and it is tested to ensure that the level is pretty close to 0.7 ppm (or 1 ppm in some other cities). It's fairly easy to keep it controlled; it's not like our water comes from hundreds of different sources. In some areas where the concentration is much higher they reduce the concentration instead of increasing it.

[HeartsOfFire]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The reason for my jab at dentists is that they (throught their Dental Associtasion institutions) have fully endorsed the ingestion of an industrial waste and not respecting the work of brain doctors, cancer doctors etc. who are revealing this stuff to be detrimental to our health.

I have been living in Calgary since before fluoridation began.

Before our water was fluoridated, my mother, an RN, would dose our drinking water with fluoride. This was very difficult to do and frequently resulted in too much being added (1 drop per 2 liters of water was all one needed.)

In 1989, I was 6 years old. The plebiscite was done, and our water started getting fluoridated.

It is now 2011. I brush my teeth -- as I always have -- once a day before bedtime. I have no other dental practices.

I have 0 cavities and impeccable teeth. My gums could be a little better, but that's because I'm horrible when it comes to regular flossing. I have minor gingivitis, but then again, so does the vast majority of the country.

I have been drinking tap water this entire time because it is clean and safe. I am now 28 years old. I'm not dying, I'm not poisoned, and I do not have any crippling physical ailments. I am living proof that a fluoridated water supply is not the boogeyman you upstarts claim it is.

The fact that the public is not suffering adverse affects en masse is proof enough to me that there is nothing wrong with adding a little fluoride to the city's water supply and would kindly ask the anti-fluoride advocates the same thing I kindly ask the anti-wifi advocates.

STFU, and GTFO.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire

It is now 2011. I brush my teeth -- as I always have -- once a day before bedtime. I have no other dental practices.

I have 0 cavities and impeccable teeth. My gums could be a little better, but that's because I'm horrible when it comes to regular flossing. I have minor gingivitis, but then again, so does the vast majority of the country.

Don't you brush in the morning?

[HeartsOfFire]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Don't you brush in the morning?

What part of "I brush my teeth -- as I always have -- once a day before bedtime" did you not understand?

No, I do not brush my teeth in the morning. And as I have 0 cavities, I suspect this will not change in the near future. Clearly, there is no need for me to do so.

[photon]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You are right in saying there are tons of scientists on both sides of the debate.

That's not what I said, and you're missing the point. Again.

A few scientists doesn't equal tons of scientists. And scientists publishing to a "journal" with an ideological axe to grind don't get their opinions counted, because they aren't actually doing science.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

So if there isn't a consensus, why are we adding this stuff to the water? Seems irresponsible....

A consensus is overturned with good sciene, not simply because some some scientists disagree for some reason.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well, obviously these people without sufficient training, knowledge etc. are making an impact

That's an issue with people and governance, not the science.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

, because many government/health institutions, including the EPA, have come out and recommended lowering fluoride concentrations in drinking water.

You'll just pick whatever argument is convenient won't you?

There's a large difference between finding the right level of something and "OMG!! It's TOXIC WASTE!"

And there's a large difference between "let's reevaluate the acceptable levels based on new science" which is reasonable and "I found a point that supports my bias, I'll use that" which is what you're doing.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This to me shows alot of this work has atleast some merit. I think in time water fluoridation will be a giant embarrassment for the government.

Of course that's what you think, because your reasoning is backwards. It's why you fall victim to so many conspiracy theories.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

"Water fluoridation has been introduced to varying degrees in many countries, including Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Ireland, Malaysia, the U.S., and Vietnam,[1] and is used by 5.7% of people worldwide."

So everyone else is a moron, right?

It is ignorance. It is a fact that water flouridation has significant health benefits.

You could steer an aircraft carrier through some of the logical fallacies in this thread.

[scotty2hotty]

Beware ..... the Dihydrogen Monoxide !!!!

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire

What part of "I brush my teeth -- as I always have -- once a day before bedtime" did you not understand?

No, I do not brush my teeth in the morning. And as I have 0 cavities, I suspect this will not change in the near future. Clearly, there is no need for me to do so.

Oh I understood, I'm just trying to figure out why a grown man only brushes his teeth once a day.

I thought the general consensus was twice a day, and there are quite a few that brush after every meal.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire

Clearly, there is no need for me to do so.

Jungle Mouth?

[scotty2hotty]

I'm hoping he means only mouthwash in the morning.

Otherwise .... god save his co-workers.

[HeartsOfFire]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Oh I understood, I'm just trying to figure out why a grown man only brushes his teeth once a day.

I thought the general consensus was twice a day, and there are quite a few that brush after every meal.

Consensus does not equal necessity. We are often told we should be doing certain things X amount of times a Y, even though we could probably get away with far less and be just fine. Example: Recommended a minimum of 2 litres of water a day, whereas in reality you'd probably end up voiding the majority of that anyway.

I have found it fascinating that despite not adhering to consensus I continue to have 0 cavities, whereas other people I know DO brush after every meal and still get cavities.

I personally attribute it either to luck, or to a better diet. I wouldn't go so far as to say this conclusively, but I suspect that the fact I don't drink carbonated beverages is a strong factor in my good oral hygiene. That stuff is Terribad(tm) for your teeth.

Originally Posted by troutman

Jungle Mouth?

Standby while I google...

Ahh. Halitosis.

Depends on whether or not I eat breakfast.

If I don't eat breakfast, then yes.

If I do eat breakfast, no.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Remind me why should I care about the developing tooth.

Because this is where fluoride has its greatest effect. It is taken up into the structure of the tooth and makes it much more resistant to decay. The tooth erupts into the mouth more resistant to decay.