The All-Native is a wonderful event for community building. Not just between communities, but within each team's community. I was a neighbour to the Haida team from Skidegate, and the way that village got behind their All-Native teams was really great to see. It's the event that the whole place looks forward to all year.
It's about nationality, not race. First nations consider themselves sovereign nations, and I'm not sure most would consider the members of each nation the same race. The tournament name is a bit politically incorrect, but this tourney has been going on for decades and has a history, so they aren't going to change the name now.
The double-standard exists because white heterosexual men have held every other identifiable ethnic group down on their faces for hundreds, if not thousands, of years and taken everything and anything we want from them.
The idea behind the double-standard is to rectify some of the imbalance in opportunity that has resulted from these hundreds of generations of ultimately inhumane inequality.
If you're one of those people who believe that "equal opportunity exists now" and that such double-standards are examples of "reverse-racism" you're wrong. You don't have a valid point and should remove yourself from the conversation and read a book.
I'd like to extend a hearty middle finger to this post. If you really think that creating new double standards is how to balance out the world, than you're no better than the those who committed the original crimes themselves.
Your balls might have regressed back into their body, but I happen to think it's perfectly ok to be a white guy and not live with any guilt. I don't. I never enslaved anyone, and neither did my relatives. I think we all deserve an equal shot no matter what's between our legs or where we come from....and that includes whitey.
If the natives want to hold a native-only tournament, more power to them. They should be proud of who they are. We all should be able to be who we are without resorting to balancing out some cosmic karma scale.
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The All-Native is a wonderful event for community building. Not just between communities, but within each team's community. I was a neighbour to the Haida team from Skidegate, and the way that village got behind their All-Native teams was really great to see. It's the event that the whole place looks forward to all year.
If you want to build communities, isn't it better to have an "everyone is welcome" event, rather than promote a segregated format?
I have been to hockey/basketball tournaments in high school where the native communities came out to cheer on their own team alright, ...to the point where tensions got high and fights broke out in the stands.....that is not "community building".
If you want to build communities, isn't it better to have an "everyone is welcome" event, rather than promote a segregated format?
I have been to hockey/basketball tournaments in high school where the native communities came out to cheer on their own team alright, ...to the point where tensions got high and fights broke out in the stands.....that is not "community building".
I remember our little hick high school was brawling with the Kainai kids in front of the Enmax Center where the buses were all parked.
It all started when some of our supporters were sitting in the same section where most of the Kainai parents/kids were, cheering loudly. Soon thereafter a few shut-ups and verbal jabs were exchanged and all hell broke loose.
If you want to build communities, isn't it better to have an "everyone is welcome" event, rather than promote a segregated format?
I have been to hockey/basketball tournaments in high school where the native communities came out to cheer on their own team alright, ...to the point where tensions got high and fights broke out in the stands.....that is not "community building".
just like minor hockey is not community building then?
I'd like to extend a hearty middle finger to this post. If you really think that creating new double standards is how to balance out the world, than you're no better than the those who committed the original crimes themselves.
Your balls might have regressed back into their body, but I happen to think it's perfectly ok to be a white guy and not live with any guilt. I don't. I never enslaved anyone, and neither did my relatives. I think we all deserve an equal shot no matter what's between our legs or where we come from....and that includes whitey.
If the natives want to hold a native-only tournament, more power to them. They should be proud of who they are. We all should be able to be who we are without resorting to balancing out some cosmic karma scale.
Who said you have to feel guilty about anything?
Do you think there are double standards between how white people are treated and how non white people are treated?
I agree that everyone should be treated equally. Doesn't look that way to me just yet in this day and age though.
The white male... So hard done by in this world...
If driveways statement of "The idea behind the double-standard is to rectify some of the imbalance in opportunity that has resulted from these hundreds of generations of ultimately inhumane inequality" isn't an attempt at a big juicy guilt trip, what is?
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The white male... So hard done by in this world...
I never said I was hard done by. Despite having the regular struggles that everyone goes through in life, I think I have it pretty good. I just don't think I should be made to feel guilty for something I had nothing to do with in an attempt to fix someone else's ill.
Sure there are plenty of racist white guys out there still. Just like there are racist blacks, natives, asians etc.....some of them even women! They should all be ashamed. The reality is that there is racism and sexism in all corners of society. I just don't understand how trying to tear down one group in the name of equality is supposed to make this a better world. It's nothing but hypocrisy.
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white guilt. what a waste of time. put that boulder down folks. my parents and their relatives lived under the thumb of the russians; yet when i go to the ukraine in 2012 and also visit russia you wont hear me asking for reparations or pay outs.
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If driveways statement of "The idea behind the double-standard is to rectify some of the imbalance in opportunity that has resulted from these hundreds of generations of ultimately inhumane inequality" isn't an attempt at a big juicy guilt trip, what is?
I never said I was hard done by. Despite having the regular struggles that everyone goes through in life, I think I have it pretty good. I just don't think I should be made to feel guilty for something I had nothing to do with in an attempt to fix someone else's ill.
Sure there are plenty of racist white guys out there still. Just like there are racist blacks, natives, asians etc.....some of them even women! They should all be ashamed. The reality is that there is racism and sexism in all corners of society. I just don't understand how trying to tear down one group in the name of equality is supposed to make this a better world. It's nothing but hypocrisy.
Very well said.
It's like it's OK to reverse the discrimination because someone else did it first......in his own words "hundreds and thousands of years ago". It's a joke.
And just to point this out...white men discriminate aginst white men in certain situations as well as black people discriminate against each other in certain situations. It's just how it goes, how it has always gone and how it will always be. People have biases....all over the world and in every single walk of life.
Everyone should have an fair shot at doing whatever they want, and I will be the first to say so and stand up for it. Giving anyone an advantage over someone else because of ethnicity is so wrong on so many levels however. You can try and legislate equality all you like, but you cannot legislate morality. That seems to be the popular way to try and fix things nowadays and it will only backfire.
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What's so great about being white these days? Companies want to hire minorities over you (anyone other than white males are classified as minorities). If you say something that is even slightly ignorant, no matter how innocent the remark, you are branded as a racist and cut off from society.
Easy now, I'm not going to deny that you may be right in a couple of cases but "every other identifiable ethnic group"? A wee bit of an exaggeration, no?
No, it is not.
To prove me wrong, just give me an example.
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My question is does anyone want to have a WHITES ONLY event? White people as a group don't really share any heritage. There are plenty of German Clubs, Ukranian Clubs, Irish Clubs and communties throughout Canada. People of similar ethnic backgrounds enjoy getting together because of commonalities. So do other groups.
So a Native only tournament seems find if they want to host one. No one should be offended.
Beyond that to the large picture in terms of affirmative action hiring, and education benefits. I am definately in favour of those types of programs. They target disadvantaged groups and help them to get employed and educated. You only have to look at the population of homeless shelters to see that certain groups of people need help so if we can help those groups we should.
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I'd like to extend a hearty middle finger to this post. If you really think that creating new double standards is how to balance out the world, than you're no better than the those who committed the original crimes themselves.
You can extend any finger you want, it's evidence you haven't critically considered the situation and are speaking emotionally, rather than rationally.
Pointing out that it's legitimate for girls to have a venue where they can do things like go camping and learn to tie knots without boys around (Girl Guides) and ALSO legitimate for them to be allowed to join a Boy Scout troop if they want is hardly the same thing as, oh I don't know, disenfranchising women for centuries and, essentially, owning them.
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Your balls might have regressed back into their body, but I happen to think it's perfectly ok to be a white guy and not live with any guilt. I don't. I never enslaved anyone, and neither did my relatives. I think we all deserve an equal shot no matter what's between our legs or where we come from....and that includes whitey.
I'm absolutely not implying you should live with guilt, I'm merely pointing out that you have advantages you haven't earned because you are white and (presumably) male. You automatically have a better shot than members of minority groups. If you don't agree, I have to conclude you're either unobservant or willfully ignorant.
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If the natives want to hold a native-only tournament, more power to them. They should be proud of who they are. We all should be able to be who we are without resorting to balancing out some cosmic karma scale.
I'm an atheist, I don't believe in Karma. It's not about Karma and it's not about 'being who you are' it's about trying to use the tools we've developed as a society to benefit that society as a whole, not because it's karmically 'right' or any of that hokum, but because it produces more citizens who are capable of contributing economically and intellectually to that society.
And finally, you keep trying to imply in your other posts that somehow this is "tearing down" white people, or that white people are somehow going to suffer, or be taken advantage of, or somehow disenfranchised in the process of providing a leg up to members of other ethnic groups. I don't understand that at all, I don't see why you think of it as a zero-sum game, or some kind of redistributive socialist scheme. Providing pathways to employment, education and opportunity to minority members doesn't deny them to white men.
Sure, at any one given time there are only so many jobs and so many spaces in Universities, but that doesn't mean that there is an absolute limit to how many there can be. It's not like we're going to stop and say, oh that's it, Canada has run out of jobs!
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Easy now, I'm not going to deny that you may be right in a couple of cases but "every other identifiable ethnic group"? A wee bit of an exaggeration, no?
It may be an exaggeration, but at most only a very, very slight one. I can't to be honest, think of a single minority group off the top of my head that hasn't at one time or another been exploited by European men.
The more I think about it, the more I'm curious to hear your examples. I mean, you could list some uncontacted amazonian tribes, or ethnic groups that haven't been around for a few centuries like the Hittites I suppose, but really, what groups have gone without being exploited. I mean hell, the various European ethnicities have all dominated each other at points throughout history.
I think that the biggest problem is that we have situations from one or two or five generations ago that groups still lean on as an excuse for not moving forward.
Yes the slave trade was horrible, and the treatment of natives were horrible, but isn't it time to quit blaming the past and move into the future. Let go of the anger and resentment and stop using it as a crutch.
The biggest problem on the other side is there is an institutional guilt that we try to absolve ourselves of by throwing money at it without any thought about how its going to be used. Both sides are guilty. But we're not doing anyone any favors by following the current course.
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