The Sport Supplement Thread

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Your body will not excrete excess protein unless your kidneys are failing. It would be used as an energy source.

[Trojan97]

Optimum Nutrition Whey is great stuff. The flavours are very generally very good and it seems to digest extremely well also.

I'd recommend giving it a shot.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

This is a sport supplement thread. I am discussing sport supplements.

Feel free to:
a) Ignore my posts.
b) Put me on ignore.
c) Consult a moderator. If they deem my discussion inappropriate then I will cease.

I certainly don't care if you want to continue to live in ignorance about your health and the supplement industry. But for those who don't, I'm going to try and provide a balance to the overwhelming ignorance that there is about this issue.

It's his thread, if he wants to discuss something else then we should discuss what his topic is about. I'm not singling you out, it happens in lots of threads, but there is no need to be "anti-topic" if you will, and just preach the other side when frankly no one cares. Like he said, make your own thread about "The overwhelming ignorance". I am thinking he is quite knowledgeable of what is good for him and what isn't.

As for the thread, I probably take stuff that is bad for me, but screw it.

[metallicat]

Look into Purple K for creatine. No loading phase required, pill form, doesn't break down in water.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Your body will not excrete excess protein unless your kidneys are failing. It would be used as an energy source.

This isn't true at all. Proteins are not used as an energy source in the human body, glucose is. Going off memory from a sports physiology course from years ago, but the maximum I heard of people using was roughly 1 gram/lbs of body weight and even then people with degrees laughed at that saying they had expensive urine and that is about it. Nage Waza or whoever the poster is that was taking 2+ grams of people per lbs of body weight was making someone rich with his urine.

Supplements have their place, but people see the benefit of actually going to the gym, not of drinking a protein drink afterwards. It is a situation of correlation and not causation.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Why does every thread about supplements get into a pissing match?

[GreenLantern]

If you liked Superpump I suggest trying out Jacked3D..

Some BB.com reviews..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114651421

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/jacked.html

I find it to be just as good as Superpump, without the digestive side effects

I am also big on Xtend right now..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=664901

Just make sure you pay attention to what ingredients are in the supplements you take. If you like one supplement better than another, chances are it has something, or more of something, that your body responds to. Figure out what that is, isolate it as much as you can. It will save you a lot of money in the long run. I see so many people just stacking suppies left and right and they end up doubling up on a lot of the benfits. This results in 'expensive urine' as many people have said.

For instance, if you take a good whey protein, you don't need to add glutamine after your work out, there should already be a lot in there. If you take a good core of supplements and diet right, you don't need a lot of the vitamins these guys will try to sell you. You also don't need to pay $50 for Centrum when your $10 bottle has the essentials you need.

Just be smart, read reviews but make your own judgement call. Cliche or not, everyones bodies are different and respond as such, find the combo that works for you.


I will also second on Purple K though. I have taken Size On and Cellmass, I prefer Cellmass over Size On, but Purple K over all of them.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

This isn't true at all. Proteins are not used as an energy source in the human body, glucose is. Going off memory from a sports physiology course from years ago, but the maximum I heard of people using was roughly 1 gram/lbs of body weight and even then people with degrees laughed at that saying they had expensive urine and that is about it. Nage Waza or whoever the poster is that was taking 2+ grams of people per lbs of body weight was making someone rich with his urine.

Supplements have their place, but people see the benefit of actually going to the gym, not of drinking a protein drink afterwards. It is a situation of correlation and not causation.

Amino acids are converted into glucose. The major differene between amino acids (the components of protein) and glucose is the amine group, which is chopped off during conversion.

The extra amine group is discharged from the body as urea, which is a major component of urine....so I guess it's argualbe that both people are right. We do pee out extra protein...sort of, but we also use it for energy.

Hey GL,

What has been your experience with whey's? Taste, effectiveness, etc.

As I said, sometimes the taste just kills me so I am looking for a good balance.

[TSXCman]

Wookie, making it cold helps alot. Easiest done if you have a magic bullet blender or something similar.
I mix in a couple ice cubes, frozen berries, or frozen peeled bananas. the fruit definitely balances the taste, but the low temp also makes it more palatable. Also a 1/2 cup of yogurt added helps

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

Wookie, making it cold helps alot. Easiest done if you have a magic bullet blender or something similar.
I mix in a couple ice cubes, frozen berries, or frozen peeled bananas. the fruit definitely balances the taste, but the low temp also makes it more palatable. Also a 1/2 cup of yogurt added helps

I use unsweetened unflavoured protein powder mixed with frozen fruit and juice/milk.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

If you liked Superpump I suggest trying out Jacked3D..
....

I will also second on Purple K though. I have taken Size On and Cellmass, I prefer Cellmass over Size On, but Purple K over all of them.

I tried Jacked once, but went back to superpump quickly. I've found reviews to be pretty split on the 2, so I guess it's really just what each individual prefers.

I've also used sizeon and have liked it, but not loved it like superpump. I'll look into purple k, thanks.

[scotty2hotty]

A little anecdote FWIW ...

I used to be in to the supplement thing for about 3 years. Whey, casein, Creatine, glutamine, BCAAs, Superpump, various recovery products, etc. I was never truly happy with the results though. I've always had (what I consider to be ) a pretty good, whole foods diet and very science based lifting programs. For some reason I always felt like I had one foot on the brakes though.

About a year ago I said F{}#k it and ditched everything except a multivitamin and probiotics. Low and behold, I've made much greater gains and much better progress!

Purely speculation ...but I attribute this to my liver function. It could be argued that your liver is the most important organ for muscle growth. I've always been very sensitive to processed foods and alcohol. MY THEORY is that there is/was so much junk in these supplements that my body wasted a lot of energy processing the chemicals. When I stopped taking them, my body and liver could relax and get back to a more natural anabolic state.

Anyway, just may experience ...before anyone lambastes me on the science. Food for thought though.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I find it to be just as good as Superpump, without the digestive side effects

I thought one of the benifits of Superpump250 was that it didn't cause digestive side effects? Or at least that was one of the poistives that Gaspari advertised. I found that I didn't have near the problems that I had with other products.

[scotty2hotty]

Should point out that I also take a simple caffeine pill pre-workout.

Can't get much cheaper than that and I really notice the difference.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

A little anecdote FWIW ...

I used to be in to the supplement thing for about 3 years. Whey, casein, Creatine, glutamine, BCAAs, Superpump, various recovery products, etc. I was never truly happy with the results though. I've always had (what I consider to be ) a pretty good, whole foods diet and very science based lifting programs. For some reason I always felt like I had one foot on the brakes though.

About a year ago I said F{}#k it and ditched everything except a multivitamin and probiotics. Low and behold, I've made much greater gains and much better progress!

Purely speculation ...but I attribute this to my liver function. It could be argued that your liver is the most important organ for muscle growth. I've always been very sensitive to processed foods and alcohol. MY THEORY is that there is/was so much junk in these supplements that my body wasted a lot of energy processing the chemicals. When I stopped taking them, my body and liver could relax and get back to a more natural anabolic state.

Anyway, just may experience ...before anyone lambastes me on the science. Food for thought though.

I am not a body builder but I've found similar results to you. I'm also really sensitive to many processed foods and alcohol. I have found that a simple chicken (occasional steak), vegetable, fruit, rice, daily vitamin and probiotic (Florastor to be specific) diet really works for me. I feel more energetic and generally happier when I stick to that diet.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

This isn't true at all. Proteins are not used as an energy source in the human body, glucose is.

Look up gluconeogenesis. Protein excretion by the kidneys means there is a very serious problem.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Look up gluconeogenesis. Protein excretion by the kidneys means there is a very serious problem.

The reason Eskimos can exist. Not a lot of fruit and veg kicking around the arctic in the winter.

[TheSutterDynasty]

You guys were both correct and Blankall summarized nicely. Nage waza gets way, way too much protein at 2.0 g / lb of body weight.

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/suppl_5/513S

Based on laboratory measures, daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs. recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6–1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes. This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues.

Like I mentioned, it's thought that advanced resistance trainers need 1.6 - 1.8 g / kg of body weight (this is kg, not lbs, so 2.0 g / lb would be 4.4 g / kg which is absolutely ######ed). That would mean that most people who resistance train (the people in this thread) need substantially less than that, although there's no specific recommendations for a lot of populations (ie working out 3 days a week vs 5, etc).

I'll try to find some updated research.

[Tron_fdc]

When I train a lot I take 2 scoops of peanut butter protein, mix with ice cubes and water, and throw in a pack of the starbucks instant coffee.

It tastes like a mochaccino (sorta) and gives me a good morning caffeine kick before my workout.