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[Ark2]

Originally Posted by GFG4Life

Don't know if someone posted this already but I was just sent this link.

*removed URL*

Don't know if it works, i didn't try it, or how long it will last for that matter.

I heard this one gives you malware. At any rate, I'm sure a mod will be along shortly to edit your post as you aren't allowed to provide such links on CP.

[octothorp]

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[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by GFG4Life

Don't know if someone posted this already but I was just sent this link.

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Don't know if it works, i didn't try it, or how long it will last for that matter.

You might wanna edit that out. You can't post links to illegal streams.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Okay let me use myself as an example.
My parents weren't big hockey fans so I wasn't a fan when I was a kid.
I obviously didn't have much interest in hockey then but after watching couple games on CBC/TSN (I didn't have Sportsnet then) I got interested in the game. Try following any team from CBC or TSN, you'll be lucky to watch your team once every two weeks or so (unless your team is the Leafs).
After I found out about online streaming, which was later down the road, I used it to follow every single Flames game that was available on it and became a bigger fan. Constant availability and exposure can draw new fans. If I was living in the States, I doubt I would've been a fan due to lack of national coverage there.

Same with the soccer example I gave you few posts ago. I wouldn't have gotten into world cup if it wasn't for CBC streaming them online.

Or if you had a TV, like 99% of homes do.

Your example is obviously dated, because it's quite easy to watch the vast majority of your local teams games for free today, even in non-traditional hockey markets. How does giving away EVERY SINGLE GAME for free increase interest. Is the argument that there's a 15 year old kid in Raleigh that would be totally into hockey if he could watch the Stars-Wild game instead of a Canes game?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Big 4 haven't tried it because its always hard to try something new, because of the chance of failure.

I'm thinking the NFL, NBA, MLB & NHL have enough money they can research these things. It's not like one day they just decided not to give a free option. It obviously doesn't work business wise because if it increased profits and veiwership like you claim it would be a no brainer and I'm sure someone from one of those leagues would have brought it forward by now.

From the small sample size I've used a site like ADTHE it would show you the number of people viewing the game and it never once got over a 1,000 people. So even if you bring over ten times as many people you are no where near the traffic to get enough from advertisers to put a banner and break even.

Not to mentioned the added cost, time and resources you have to put into this free option. Taking away from development from the product the people that actually pay see.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Because we aren't talking about FTA necessarily. We are talking about an increasing consumer base that prefers to watch their programing online. Eventually, everyone is going to have to address the issue of streaming, not just the NHL.

My mom and dad might think that subscribing to HBO and Showtime is worth the money, but why would someone like me ever do that? I can watch any show I want, online, for free, at great quality, whenever I want. Sure, call me a freeloader and just focus on servicing your paying subscribers. Fine. But those paying subscribers won't be around forever and when they are gone, you won't be in any position to service the consumers that you previously chose to ignore. Simply saying "we are making money right now with this format, so there is no reason to innovate our product and position it better for the future," is a recipe for disaster.

Still not answering the question, and it's a pretty basic one.

Why will using an every game streaming for free model draw new fans to the game that haven't already been drawn to the multiple free vieiwing options they already provided with?

That's it. A simple question.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by valo403

Or if you had a TV, like 99% of homes do.

Your example is obviously dated, because it's quite easy to watch the vast majority of your local teams games for free today, even in non-traditional hockey markets. How does giving away EVERY SINGLE GAME for free increase interest. Is the argument that there's a 15 year old kid in Raleigh that would be totally into hockey if he could watch the Stars-Wild game instead of a Canes game?

I'm not sure about you but I rather have the convenience of online streaming than having to sit in front of a TV to watch a game. Easier to multi task on the computer.

As for the kid in Carolina, you would have to subscribe to Versus to get all the games right? What do you think he's more likely to do if he wanted to watch the game? Convince his parents to subscribe to the channel or go click an illegal stream so he can watch it at his convenience while chatting with his friends on Facebook.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

I'm not sure about you but I rather have the convenience of online streaming than having to sit in front of a TV to watch a game. Easier to multi task on the computer.

As for the kid in Carolina, you would have to subscribe to Versus to get all the games right? What do you think he's more likely to do if he wanted to watch the game? Convince his parents to subscribe to the channel or go click an illegal stream so he can watch it at his convenience while chatting with his friends on Facebook.

You mean cable? Yes, he would have to have cable. Versus is not a subscription channel, nor are any of the local broadcasters.

Btw, they have these portable computers, I think they call them laptops, that will allow you to both sit in front of a TV and be on the computer. I hear they're all the rage with the young kids nowadays

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm thinking the NFL, NBA, MLB & NHL have enough money they can research these things. It's not like one day they just decided not to give a free option. It obviously doesn't work business wise because if it increased profits and veiwership like you claim it would be a no brainer and I'm sure someone from one of those leagues would have brought it forward by now.

From the small sample size I've used a site like ADTHE it would show you the number of people viewing the game and it never once got over a 1,000 people. So even if you bring over ten times as many people you are no where near the traffic to get enough from advertisers to put a banner and break even.

Not to mentioned the added cost, time and resources you have to put into this free option. Taking away from development from the product the people that actually pay see.

Although NHL would like an immediate increase in profit, it seems like their long term goal involves expanding the market in the US. They continue to lose millions in different cities just trying to keep the team there to grow the market.

There are usually more than 1 illegal stream available on the internet for a game.

The cost, time and resources are something they will obviously have to put in but then again they're doing it through other means right now. It all comes down to their judgment on whether or now this could increase fan base at in couple years. Its hard to make a call on these especially if you're the first one to go in that direction.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by valo403

You mean cable? Yes, he would have to have cable. Versus is not a subscription channel, nor are any of the local broadcasters.

Btw, they have these portable computers, I think they call them laptops, that will allow you to both sit in front of a TV and be on the computer. I hear they're all the rage with the young kids nowadays

By the way, they have these illegal stream on the internet that allows you to not move into the proximity of a TV to watch a game.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

By the way, they have these illegal stream on the internet that allows you to not move into the proximity of a TV to watch a game.

And?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Although NHL would like an immediate increase in profit, it seems like their long term goal involves expanding the market in the US. They continue to lose millions in different cities just trying to keep the team there to grow the market.

There are usually more than 1 illegal stream available on the internet for a game.

The cost, time and resources are something they will obviously have to put in but then again they're doing it through other means right now. It all comes down to their judgment on whether or now this could increase fan base at in couple years. Its hard to make a call on these especially if you're the first one to go in that direction.

Again, how does this increase the fan base at all? You've said over and over that the goal is to move people watching pirated streams over to watching NHL streams, that does not increase the fan base at all. Not one little bit.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by valo403

And?

I'll let you figure out which one kids will prefer.
Move the laptop in front of the TV to watch it from the TV or stream it directly from their laptop without moving anywhere.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Same with the soccer example I gave you few posts ago. I wouldn't have gotten into world cup if it wasn't for CBC streaming them online.

How much money have you spent on soccer merchandise and games since becoming a fan?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

I'll let you figure out which one kids will prefer.
Move the laptop in front of the TV to watch it from the TV or stream it directly from their laptop without moving anywhere.

Already figured it out. I use my laptop in front of my TV, as did every single roommate I've ever had.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by valo403

Still not answering the question, and it's a pretty basic one.

Why will using an every game streaming for free model draw new fans to the game that haven't already been drawn to the multiple free vieiwing options they already provided with?

That's it. A simple question.

Haven't I answered that question? GC is riddled with bugs. Try to sign up for free viewing and you will get so frustrated with it that you will go back to illegal streams or give up entirely. Also, one month here and there isn't enough to draw fans in. To become a fan, you have to have some sort of emotional investment in the team(s) that you are watching. Getting to see some meaningless games in October might not be enough. At any rate, I do think that GC being offered for free for certain periods is a great start, and if I were to implement a service that is completely free, I would start by offering free periods rather than giving it away all at once. For all you know, those that were able to get the free preview of GC enjoyed it for the month of October, and then went over to ATDHE after the preview expired.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by valo403

Again, how does this increase the fan base at all? You've said over and over that the goal is to move people watching pirated streams over to watching NHL streams, that does not increase the fan base at all. Not one little bit.

What is so hard to understand about the concept?
1. Get viewers watching the illegal streams on to the legit streams.
2. Attract new fans through these free streams which gives them availability and exposure of NHL games.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

I'll let you figure out which one kids will prefer.
Move the laptop in front of the TV to watch it from the TV or stream it directly from their laptop without moving anywhere.

Wireless technology, coming soon!

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by valo403

Already figured it out. I use my laptop in front of my TV, as did every single roommate I've ever had.

So you automatically jump to the conclusion that all kids must watch from TV with their laptop.
Sorry but everyone I know would rather just stream it from the laptop.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Haven't I answered that question? GC is riddled with bugs. Try to sign up for free viewing and you will get so frustrated with it that you will go back to illegal streams or give up entirely. Also, one month here and there isn't enough to draw fans in. To become a fan, you have to have some sort of emotional investment in the team(s) that you are watching. Getting to see some meaningless games in October might not be enough. At any rate, I do think that GC being offered for free for certain periods is a great start, and if I were to implement a service that is completely free, I would start by offering free periods rather than giving it away all at once. For all you know, those that were able to get the free preview of GC enjoyed it for the month of October, and then went over to ATDHE after the preview expired.

For the third time, I'm talking about all of the television options available. I know you think that people don't watch tv and watch everythign online, but that's simply not true. There's a shift to increased online consumption, but it's still a very small overall percentage of the market that uses it exclusively.