02-02-2011, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
actually flaming choy is correct. at this time telus cannot tell the difference
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More like don't care to tell the difference at this time. It would be trivially easy for them to distinguish traffic from a technical perspective, using many different techniques.
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02-02-2011, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sclitheroe
More like don't care to tell the difference at this time. It would be trivially easy for them to distinguish traffic from a technical perspective, using many different techniques.
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But that opens the whole network neutrality can of worms.
You are limited in the amount of Netflix you can download, but for their (pay) service you are unlimited!
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02-02-2011, 04:37 PM
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#383
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Originally Posted by sclitheroe
More like don't care to tell the difference at this time. It would be trivially easy for them to distinguish traffic from a technical perspective, using many different techniques.
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So why are you correcting me when you said the exact same thing? Just curious. I mean literally I said "at this time telus cannot tell the difference". You "corrected" me with "More like don't care to tell the difference at this time" .
Just wondering.
Last edited by theonlywhiteout; 02-02-2011 at 04:59 PM.
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02-02-2011, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
So why are you correcting me when you said the exact same thing? Just curious. I mean literally I said "at this time telus cannot tell the difference". You "corrected" me with "More like don't care to tell the difference at this time".
Just wondering.
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Oh, I didn't mean to sound like I was correcting anyone. Just clarifying that its not that they can't distinguish traffic - just that they aren't drawing that distinction for billing purposes. People make it sound like Telus does not have the capability to tell how much Optik TV content you're consuming, and that's false.
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02-02-2011, 05:20 PM
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No sclithereo that's infact correct. At this moment telus has no system in place to differentiate traffice between adsl and iptv. Could they resolve this? Sure. Is it currently resolved? No.
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02-02-2011, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
No sclithereo that's infact correct. At this moment telus has no system in place to differentiate traffice between adsl and iptv. Could they resolve this? Sure. Is it currently resolved? No.
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We're talking about different things then. Do they have a business process in place to make the distinction? No, and I'll agree with you. Do they have systems to do it? For sure. All the network gear between you and Telus has the instrumentation facilities required, and the big pile of servers that delivers Optik content is certainly capable of logging when those connections begin and end.
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02-02-2011, 05:51 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
Interesting how this just may have completely backfired on the telcos. Public attention to internet policy and regulation has never been more intensive and insightful. This could be the new beginning of more discerned and engaged regulation of the 'market.'
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Exactly what I was thinking 6 months ago when all of this started.
Its hilarious how Shaw, Bell and the others have kicked themselves right in the ass with this one.
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02-02-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sclitheroe
We're talking about different things then. Do they have a business process in place to make the distinction? No, and I'll agree with you. Do they have systems to do it? For sure. All the network gear between you and Telus has the instrumentation facilities required, and the big pile of servers that delivers Optik content is certainly capable of logging when those connections begin and end.
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Ok you're right. I give up. I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm talking directly out of my ass.
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02-02-2011, 05:54 PM
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Had an idea!
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Ok you're right. I give up. I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm talking directly out of my ass.
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lol.
I'm pretty sure they could currently do it, but just haven't bothered. Probably because congestion has never been an issue in the first place! 
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02-02-2011, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
Ok you're right. I give up. I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm talking directly out of my ass.
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Are you saying Telus doesn't have netflow implemented on their gear?
Is there something here we should know? 
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02-02-2011, 06:02 PM
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I finally had a chance to take a look at my usage after the Shaw secure website was down for most of the day. My home uses about 54-59 gigs a month, which seems to be more or less on par with others that do a some streaming (Netflix), a couple of torrents and then just regular surfing. I actually didn't realize there was 60 gigs included in our plan.
I've now suspended our Netflix account out of curiosity to see what sort of difference it will make. That and I'm sick of the non-selection on there.
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02-02-2011, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout
Ok you're right. I give up. I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm talking directly out of my ass.
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Considering how easy it is to track network traffic to specific devices, I would be utterly embarrassed if I ran an ISP and was not able to track it. I certainly hope Telus isn't actually 100% staffed by people who are complete idiots, because that is honestly the only way what you are saying is actually true.
I don't doubt they tell front line staff that though, it is certainly a lot simpler than explaining things that would go way over their head.
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02-02-2011, 08:39 PM
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Looks like the decision will be reversed.
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"The CRTC should be under no illusion. The prime minister and the minister of industry will reverse this decision unless the CRTC does it itself," a senior government source, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday evening.
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02-02-2011, 09:03 PM
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Victory is mine!
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02-02-2011, 09:16 PM
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Just to clarify, because I only skimmed the article, the original ruling that lets ISPs charge for overage still is in effect but secondary ISP's (like TekSavvy) won't be forced to implement that same practice?
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02-02-2011, 09:18 PM
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02-02-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rathji
Just to clarify, because I only skimmed the article, the original ruling that lets ISPs charge for overage still is in effect but secondary ISP's (like TekSavvy) won't be forced to implement that same practice?
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Doesn't matter. The only thing left to be decided is whether or not Shaw wants to keep my business.
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02-02-2011, 09:36 PM
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I am at 17 GB with absolutely no streaming or downloading of movies (that I know of).
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If the Flames keep on winning and people keep on posting gif in the post game thread, you'll be over your limit without streaming or downloading a single movie :P
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02-02-2011, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rathji
Just to clarify, because I only skimmed the article, the original ruling that lets ISPs charge for overage still is in effect but secondary ISP's (like TekSavvy) won't be forced to implement that same practice?
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That would be my assumption. The big ISPs implemented the caps because they knew that the independent ISPs couldn't compete. Slimy move. If an independent like Teksavvy is again free to set their own pricing structure that competes (or undermines Shaw) and Shaw keeps their caps, they'd see a mass exodus.
Hopefully the early reports are true and the CRTC decision is overturned. Sounds promising. I'm hoping that this sham results in some changes at the so-called regulator as they are clearly out of touch.
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02-02-2011, 09:37 PM
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Seems like the reports are true. Tony Clement has confirmed on Twitter...of all places.
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