After the Olympic Tourist Rush (Sled Dog Cull)

[Pinner]

Seems the SPCA wouldn't help either, this guy is not a monster.

The Vancouver Sun has learned the 38-year-old employee of Outdoor Adventures who killed 100 sled dogs in Whistler approached the BC SPCA on two separate occasions asking for its help in finding adoptive homes for some of the company’s dogs.

Both times he was rebuffed.

Officials at the animal protection agency said they didn’t realize the dogs would be brutally slaughtered. But they said they told the man the dogs would not make good pets and were not adoptable.

The Sun has obtained a copy of that documentation, which states: “I understood from Joey that there were to be some dogs going to you for adoption? Is that indeed happening? Or should I just show up with a truck full so they can get off the chain and get some attention, exercise, stop fighting, etc....I am happy to bring some down to stop cruelty they are going through here.

“This is me as a bystander (I am off due to injury to both arms). I am the only one who has made any effort to move dogs. We still have almost 60 dogs too many, and a new litter of pups to be given away. Can you please give me a call so I know something can be done. It’s breaking my heart.”

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/entertai...#ixzz1CoihOMIW

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Seems the SPCA wouldn't help either, this guy is not a monster.






Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/entertai...#ixzz1CoihOMIW

Uh oh. So they took them to a Vet to have then put down humanely and were rebuffed and tried to take them to the SPCA and were stopped there. While this is pretty brutal, what options did he have left?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Uh oh. So they took them to a Vet to have then put down humanely and were rebuffed and tried to take them to the SPCA and were stopped there. While this is pretty brutal, what options did he have left?

Continue to care for them until they found proper homes or someone to do it humanely?

I just find it hard to believe if you went to the SPCA and other dog rescue places and said "Help me with these dogs else I'm shooting them out back." they wouldn't have done something to help them. I guess if asking two places for help is enough in this situation to make this okay than that's fine but that's really, really sad our world has gone backwards in how we treat animals.

Personally I think as a business they should have had a plan in place if something like this were to happen. There is no excuse for this mass slaughter!

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Continue to care for them until they found proper homes or someone to do it humanely?

I just find it hard to believe if you went to the SPCA and other dog rescue places and said "Help me with these dogs else I'm shooting them out back." they wouldn't have done something to help them. I guess if asking two places for help is enough in this situation to make this okay than that's fine but that's really, really sad our world has gone backwards in how we treat animals.

Personally I think as a business they should have had a plan in place if something like this were to happen. There is no excuse for this mass slaughter!

Let me be clear, I'm not defending them, but this doesn't look as bad as originally thought, that's all.

[Pinner]

I find it pretty irresponsible of the press to identify him, where he lives with his family and the fact there are no guns on the property...

I've read quite a few comments online where people are suggesting he should be killed.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Pinner

I find it pretty irresponsible of the press to identify him, where he lives with his family and the fact there are no guns on the property...

I've read quite a few comments online where people are suggesting he should be killed.

Well, in my time on this here interwebz I've learned a thing or two about 'online comments'.....

[Kybosh]

I'm actually not surprised that the SPCA turned him away. They generally do not have the funding or facilities to take in that many working dogs and rehabilitate them for adoption. The SPCA does what it can, with the resources it's been given but it is not always the answer. Especially when potentially time consuming rehabilitation of an animal is concerned.

I'm not as familiar with the BC adoption climate, but AB has many other adoption agencies than the SPCA. These groups can often put in the extra time to rehabilitate an animal for adoption. If the owners of the sled dog group put in an hour of research, I'm sure that they would've found many agencies that would have been willing to help. I think that this is a horrible case of poor management with zero fore sight.

[Locke]

Its also horribly knee-jerk.

They knew this was coming, for years and years. As soon as they knew the Olympics were coming and they geared up for them they should have made a plan as to what to do with the dogs after.

They must have known full well they wouldnt need that many dogs post-Olympics.

They had years to figure out a plan on what to do with them, they should have had a plan in place before they even acquired that many dogs. In business, we like to refer to it as forecasting future liabilities.

So, even in the event that you have 100 dogs that need to be trained in order to be either given away/sold as pets, theres lots of time to do that in, or, contact other sledding agencies that might require them and again the option to give them away or sell them.

They actually could have potentially made more money by being proactive. Or, at the very least they could have setup an account to accrue a liability amount of an estimate to re-train or ship the dogs elsewhere and match the future liability to the current income.

I cant blame the SPCA, organizations like that do the best they can with the funding they have. You cant just make a screwball decision and then try and dump the consequences on someone else and when they cant handle it shift the blame to them.

These people made their decisions and this is what it came to through a pretty staggering lack of forethought and planning and it was 'rectified' through this slaughter.

And if this is a standard practice in the dog-sledding industry, well, then maybe we should be taking a closer look at this industry in its entirety rather than simply the incidents that make the news.

[Jiggy_12]

It was his responsibility to find a place for these dogs, not the SPCA's.

Terrible foresight and planning led to this reaction, and this scumbag deserves absolutely everything that he gets.

I can not believe there is a single person in this thread trying to somehow condone or understand why he did this.

Really, truly, disgusting.

[HOOT]

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/SP...781/story.html

B.C. SPCA head of animal cruelty Marcie Moriarty said the SPCA would have acted had it known the dogs were going to be slaughtered.

[driveway]

People are overreacting to this because they anthropomorphize dogs, perhaps more than any other animal. I am intimately familiar with this as a dog owner and I think that everyone who's calling for this 'scumbag' to 'get what he deserves' needs to take a step back.

Animals are not people. Animals do not deserve the same treatment as people. Once we've got everyone in this country fed, sheltered and clothed with access to medical and mental health care THEN we can start worrying about the dogs.

Until then, fata the dogs.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by driveway

Animals do not deserve the same treatment as people.

You're right, they deserve more! They can't fend for themselves and they don't ask you to bring them home to abuse and kill them. Don't bring an animal into your life or business if you can't support it or don't have the brain power to find them a home in the event you can't take care of them.

Can't wait for the day when people can take a shotgun to their kids because they can't afford to take care of them.

[Pinner]

And that goes for cows,chickens and pigs too!

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Pinner

And that goes for cows,chickens and pigs too!

Didn't realize these dogs were turned into food. I thought they were just shot and chucked in a ditch. My bad!

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by driveway

People are overreacting to this because they anthropomorphize dogs, perhaps more than any other animal. I am intimately familiar with this as a dog owner and I think that everyone who's calling for this 'scumbag' to 'get what he deserves' needs to take a step back.

Animals are not people. Animals do not deserve the same treatment as people. Once we've got everyone in this country fed, sheltered and clothed with access to medical and mental health care THEN we can start worrying about the dogs.

Until then, fata the dogs.

So these dogs were killed so homeless people could get a place to sleep?

How do the two relate? Also, why do you have a dog? couldn't you kill your dog and send all the money you save to the homeless?

And you end your sentence with "fata the dogs" Hypocrite much?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by driveway

People are overreacting to this because they anthropomorphize dogs, perhaps more than any other animal. I am intimately familiar with this as a dog owner and I think that everyone who's calling for this 'scumbag' to 'get what he deserves' needs to take a step back.

Animals are not people. Animals do not deserve the same treatment as people. Once we've got everyone in this country fed, sheltered and clothed with access to medical and mental health care THEN we can start worrying about the dogs.

Until then, fata the dogs.

I agree with you on a level, but I think what some people are concerned about is the potentially inhumane way this was done.

There are indeed much larger fish to fry in terms of where to allocate resources and our attention as a society. Still a damn sad story nonetheless.

[woob]

New information surfacing - Looks like he may have contacted SPCA after the cull.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1891765/

[Pinner]

Kidding aside, really, what should've he done with the dogs ?

The dogs were in distress, un adoptable, the SPCA didn't want them and the Vet wouldn't put them down.

The guy lives on the property with his family, he's worked there for years and his boss is telling him to cull the herd. There are no jobs or vacancies in Whistler...Clearly the guy was between a rock and a hard place.

His correspondence with the SPCA is evident that he had the welfare of the dogs as a priority, the guy has been hurt more by this than anyone on this board, and people still don't have any empathy for him.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Kidding aside, really, what should've he done with the dogs ?

The dogs were in distress, un adoptable, the SPCA didn't want them and the Vet wouldn't put them down.

The guy lives on the property with his family, he's worked there for years and his boss is telling him to cull the herd. There are no jobs or vacancies in Whistler...Clearly the guy was between a rock and a hard place.

His correspondence with the SPCA is evident that he had the welfare of the dogs as a priority, the guy has been hurt more by this than anyone on this board, and people still don't have any empathy for him.

1. Walked away.
2. Spoken to authorities about owners request and his refusal to perform said request.
3. Spoken to news outlet about story including difficulty he had with the situation because it meant walking away from his job.
4. Probability is that another company may have offered him another job and he'd be fine. If not, well you find another job with your head held high.

End result? Would have kept his sanity, avoided PTS that he seems to be experiencing, and possibly prevented the entire ordeal. As well, if the story hit national news coverage about the dogs needing homes, all of those dogs may have found homes across the nation and maybe even in the US.

Bottom line? Lots of other options. But feel free to go on claiming the story is sad while you pretend not to defend the guy's actions.

Edit: Also, as per my above post, he contacted the SPCA after the cull, according to new information. So your point about contacting the SPCA is moot, if this new information is correct.

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