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Old 01-28-2011, 09:03 AM   #61
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Seems to be a lot of Domesday talk this past year.

-2012
-pole shifting
-global warming
-new world order
-collapsing of monetary system
-planet X

Hmm, must be some more, I grew up during the cold war, (a real threat) and we didn't worry much. It seems people enjoy fear mongering nowadays.
Xenu returns to solid form and leads his battlefleet full of ships that look like DC-7's to attack earth. The last thing we'll all do is go to the nearest Church of Scientology and burn them to the ground for killing us in such a ridiculous way.
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:07 PM   #62
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You are right. They think it is still coming soon, but they are not setting a specific date.
Correct, nor have they ever set a date or predicted a date. Young -sneezy posted the scripture used to support not predicting a date.
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:09 PM   #63
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Id LOVE to see your source.

Please provide.
Was raised a Witness and baptized as one as well. Does that suffice?
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Old 01-28-2011, 10:42 PM   #64
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Hmm, must be some more, I grew up during the cold war, (a real threat) and we didn't worry much. It seems people enjoy fear mongering nowadays.
Really?



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Old 01-28-2011, 11:02 PM   #65
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Seems to be a lot of Domesday talk this past year.

-2012
-pole shifting
-global warming
-new world order
-collapsing of monetary system
-planet X

Hmm, must be some more, I grew up during the cold war, (a real threat) and we didn't worry much. It seems people enjoy fear mongering nowadays.
I'd like to put this into context, how much of the cold war did you live through. Because it was a pretty terrifying time. I remember my parents telling me about the Cuban Missile Crisis and the belief that war was going to happen (and was probably prevented by distance and a bad radio). Or the U-2 incident.

I remember reading stories in highschool and junior high school about the theoretical doomsday clock.

Today its set at 6 minutes to midnight, midnight being the supposed end of all things. There were times in the early 80's where it was 2 minutes to, and in the 70's even closer.

When I was in the army, we trained to take on the Russians. They were 10 feet tall and even after Afghanistan had a terrifying reputation. I remember eyeing the Fulda gap where it was expected that it would be boiling with Russain tanks and APC's in numbers that were uncountable.

The only thing that probably saved the world were that the leaders were to an effect rational.

Even though Kennedy in a way did f#ck up the end game of the Cuban missile crisis.

But it was a scary scary time.
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Man if I could afford it I would be where ever these people live to watch their excitement and disappointment.

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Was raised a Witness and baptized as one as well. Does that suffice?
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:13 AM   #68
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Was raised a Witness and baptized as one as well. Does that suffice?
No...thats not a source. Have you taken the time to study your religion of choice?
The JWs have in fact declared the end of the world 10 times.
Specific dates where given in 1875, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, and 1975, unless of course you are the type who believes that these were Bible Students and not true JWs?
Here is some reading for you...unless of course you believe this is Atheist propaganda.


**The Generation of 1914. Jehovah's Witnesses said for about 50 years that Armageddon would come within the lifetime of people that saw the year 1914. This was stated as being 'Jesus's own words. In 1995 this was changed as that generation had all but ceased to exist. The latest prediction is that Armageddon will come within the lifetime of the generation of people that saw the generation of people that saw the year 1914. See link about generation teaching below.

Does it bother you that only the first 144,000 JWs to die get to go to heaven?
Does it bother you that if your wife or children need life saving blood transfusions your church disallows this process?



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Old 02-01-2011, 08:58 AM   #69
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The end of the world on Oct 21? Darn. I'm supposed to leave on a Hawaiian cruise on the 22nd.
What? Are you writing a new Alannis song?
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What did the JW's do to you Cheese?
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What did the JW's do to you Cheese?
Outside of the fact my cousin was allowed to die by her husband...nothing why? Am I not allowed to discuss the fallacies of the religion or am I just supposed to let them be because they do such great things for society?
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God is in his holy temple.

How did Bob Barker get dragged into a religious debate. Last time I checked he was all about getting your pets spayed/neutered.
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No...thats not a source. Have you taken the time to study your religion of choice?
The JWs have in fact declared the end of the world 10 times.
Specific dates where given in 1875, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, and 1975, unless of course you are the type who believes that these were Bible Students and not true JWs?
Here is some reading for you...unless of course you believe this is Atheist propaganda.


**The Generation of 1914. Jehovah's Witnesses said for about 50 years that Armageddon would come within the lifetime of people that saw the year 1914. This was stated as being 'Jesus's own words. In 1995 this was changed as that generation had all but ceased to exist. The latest prediction is that Armageddon will come within the lifetime of the generation of people that saw the generation of people that saw the year 1914. See link about generation teaching below.

Does it bother you that only the first 144,000 JWs to die get to go to heaven?
Does it bother you that if your wife or children need life saving blood transfusions your church disallows this process?


Have I taken the time to study my religion of choice? Everyone who is baptized as a Jehovah's Witness has studied the teachings. You can't get baptized without doing so. In fact you have to prove that you understand what you are doing before you can be baptized.
So, I am not a source but WikiAnswers is? Or any of the ex-Witness links that page leads to? I see.

Also you should read a little more carefully. You state that "they have in fact declared the end of the world 10 times". Read your own link and you will see that is not true. Read what's there instead of what you want it to read.
Never once have they actually declared a date. The interpretation of "generation" may have changed. Not a big deal really. I would think this would be rather easy to accept by atheists, as scientific theories change constantly and it's generally accepted that they always will. The theory you accept as "fact" today will change tomorrow.

Also Jehovah's Witnesses do not teach that the first 144 000 to die get to go to heaven. You do have the number part right though.

Yes I am completely fine with the stance on blood. And yes, before you ask, I have in fact had to deal with a transfusion issue myself and am well aware of everything that goes along with that stance.

By the way your posts could be viewed as slander as none of your "facts" have been correct. Whether you think so or not. Your agenda is quite clear from your last post.
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That is how the world is really going to end.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:31 AM   #76
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Have I taken the time to study my religion of choice? Everyone who is baptized as a Jehovah's Witness has studied the teachings. You can't get baptized without doing so. In fact you have to prove that you understand what you are doing before you can be baptized.
So, I am not a source but WikiAnswers is? Or any of the ex-Witness links that page leads to? I see.

Also you should read a little more carefully. You state that "they have in fact declared the end of the world 10 times". Read your own link and you will see that is not true. Read what's there instead of what you want it to read.
Never once have they actually declared a date. The interpretation of "generation" may have changed. Not a big deal really. I would think this would be rather easy to accept by atheists, as scientific theories change constantly and it's generally accepted that they always will. The theory you accept as "fact" today will change tomorrow.

Also Jehovah's Witnesses do not teach that the first 144 000 to die get to go to heaven. You do have the number part right though.

Yes I am completely fine with the stance on blood. And yes, before you ask, I have in fact had to deal with a transfusion issue myself and am well aware of everything that goes along with that stance.

By the way your posts could be viewed as slander as none of your "facts" have been correct. Whether you think so or not. Your agenda is quite clear from your last post.
Slander? Are you out of your mind?
Oh and...just because you were baptised as a JW does not mean you are a source. Study something...ANYTHING...outside of your church walls.
Here start with this:
http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/
some of this:
http://www.bible.ca/Jw-changes.htm
then this:
http://4jehovah.org/ex-jehovahs-witness-stories/
oh and this:
False Prophetic Dates:
  • 1874: Date for Christ’s “invisible presence,” changed to 1914
  • 1914: End of the world
  • 1915: Replaced 1914 for the end of the world
  • 1918: End of the world, the destruction of churches
  • 1925: End of the world with the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob
  • 1929: “Beth Sarim” House of Princes built in San Diego, deeded to king David and other biblical prophets for their “soon” return upon the earth
  • 1940’s: End of the World would come with the “soon” battle of Armageddon
  • 1975: 6,000-years of human history, the end of the world would come within “months, not years.”
  • 1994: 80-year Generation of 1914 should bring the end of the world, 1995 redefined the word “generation” to be symbolic of general readiness for the end.
this is great too:
  • No holiday or birthday celebrations
  • No participation in flag salutes, voting, politics or war activities
  • No blood transfusions
  • Limited higher education
  • Limited contact with non-Jehovah’s Witness friends and family
  • Shunning of former Jehovah’s Witnesses
  • Forbidding critical thinking and disagreement
  • Forbidding literature critical of the group
  • Forbidding non-Jehovah’s Witness religious broadcasting and church attendance
  • Mandatory door-to-door proselytizing
WHO ARE THE 144,000?
Who are those 144,000? …they are faithful followers of Jesus Christ specially chosen to rule in heaven with him.

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