Hot Sauce Child Abuse Mother charged

[theonlywhiteout]

I'd also like to know about violent crime. Crime vs violent crime is a very important distinction. If people are getting busted for stuff like selling pot and smoking it I honestly dont care. Now, if people being knifed up is on the rise, that's an issue

[Rubicant]

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r...jsp?iid=57#M_1

Good stats there, even breaks it down by region and by city.

In short, violent crime is higher than it was in the 70's but has dipped after its peak in the early 90's. Property crime is lower than it has ever been.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by frege64

Pinner, our generation (47 here) was far more criminal than the 12 year olds and their mythical B&E's you're inventing. The US (and Canadian) murder rate peaked in the early 80s, just as you and your effed up generation (myself included) was reaching adulthood.

The crime rate has gone nowhere but down since the baby busters grew out of crime. Things are better now- far better- than it was when we were juveniles.

the real reason for the drop in crime (and people are afraid to say it) is the legalization in abortion. By the mid 80's many future criminals were not around and turning into teenagers.

[theonlywhiteout]

I take you've read freakanomics, SeaBass?

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

I take you've read freakanomics, SeaBass?

yah and he makes a very sound argument there.

Kinda cool for him to have the guts to say it too

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

the real reason for the drop in crime (and people are afraid to say it) is the legalization in abortion. By the mid 80's many future criminals were not around and turning into teenagers.

What's really the evidence for that though? I've heard the theory, but to me it sounds like a simplistic analysis favored more for its controversy than it's actual value.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

It was different when I was young as well. Whenever I wrote with my left hand my teacher would chop it off and force me to sew it back on with my right. I turned out alright though.

That's because left handed people are of the devil. You should have been drowned at birth.

[Cheese]

Here are the charts Pinner wants to post:





There were about 176,000 youth (aged 12 to 17 years) accused8 of a criminal offence in 2007 (Table 6). The rate of youth accused (the youth crime rate) decreased by 2 % in 2007, following a 3 % increase in 2006. Following substantial declines after peaking in 1991, the youth crime rate has remained relatively stable over the past decade (Chart 11).
As with crime in general, the highest rate of youth crime was in Saskatchewan. The rate in Saskatchewan was nearly double the rates reported in Manitoba and Nova Scotia, the next highest provinces.
In contrast to the pattern of the youth crime rate, the rate of violent youth crime has been steadily increasing since the mid-1980s9 (Chart 11). While the 2007 rate was stable compared to the previous year, it was double the rate from 20 years ago. The rise in violent crime can be largely attributed to increases in common assault, which comprise approximately 6 in 10 violent incidents committed by youth.
Following a record high in the youth homicide rate in 2006, the number of youth accused of homicide in 2007 decreased from 85 to 74, representing a 13 % drop in the rate.10 Despite this decrease, the 2007 youth homicide rate was the second highest since 1961. The rates in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, reached record highs (Table 7). It is important to note that youth homicide rates can vary considerably from year-to-year due to the relatively small number of youth who commit this offence.


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../10658-eng.htm



According to the Canadian Council on Social Development, "The overall crime rate in Canada rose steadily from 1960 to 1990, it peaked in 1990/91, then started dropping throughout the 1990s. These fluctuations are attributed in part to the "baby-boom" and "baby-boom echo", where the proportion of Canadians between the ages of 15 and 25 was very high for many years before it dropped sharply -- by 18% -- in 1991. Despite decreases in both the proportion of teens aged 15 to 19 and crime rates in the 1990s, overall rates of violent crime are still three times higher than they were in the 1960s, and rates of property crime are twice as high." (Canadian Council on Social Development, Crime Prevention Through Social Development)
A report on youth crime released by the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics in May 2008 (for 2006) stated that while overall crime rates have dropped, youth violent crimes have increased 30 per cent since 1991. Violent crime has risen 12 per cent in the last ten years among youths, while the overall violent crime rate in Canada declined 4 per cent in the same time period.



http://www.thefreeradical.ca/researc...atsCanada.html

[llama64]

I don't understand... I got hot sauce for swearing all the time as a kid.

I f'ing love spicy food now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Getting back to the original topic at hand. I've said from the beginning that my dad was a complete hardcase, they believed in me towing the lines and the consequences for breaking that line were very clearly defined and understood. My parents had two forms of punishment. there was the physical (spankings, the belt was rarely used but it was the nuclear weapon) and groundings. There were no mild discussions, it was not a democracy, but at or during the punishment, the reasoning was discussed and understood.

the problem with this womans punishment is its akin to torture, its lingering and painful punishment. Making a kid sit there with hot sauce in his mouth while the mother screams at him is sadistic, and its almost like mom is getting satisfaction out of it. Throwing the kid in a freezing shower and making him scream for minutes on end is torture, and the fact that they were recording it is really f'd up.

This woman is a sadist, nothing more, she seems to love displaying her power over this kid.

At least with my old man, the punishment was over quickly, you understood it, and you didn't have to spend an eternity praying that it was going to end.

[Pinner]

My Dad was like that too, he explained why I was going to get the belt, and often he would say "this hurts me as much as it hurts you".

[CaptainCrunch]

Oh my dad was pretty honest, he didn't believe in saying this hurts me as much as this hurts you.

In fact he never discussed the physical part of it.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

the real reason for the drop in crime (and people are afraid to say it) is the legalization in abortion. By the mid 80's many future criminals were not around and turning into teenagers.

Eugenics, you mean, as most of those aborted fetuses are probably little black fetuses, and not white fetuses. Racism by another name, really.

[BigBrodieFan]

Sometimes I shake my head and wonder what the heck parents are thinking when it comes to discipline, and then sometimes I wonder what the heck happened to being able to discipline your child.

I am 36, I went to Catholic school, we were strapped when we acted out of line. Could have been anything from swearing to looking the wrong way. I think it was abusive and I think that the 'guilt punishment' was ridiculous. I walked on eggshells, and I always thought I would burn in hell for everything.

I NEVER spanked my youngest son. I did spank my older one a couple of times, but my youngest one went to school one day and got in trouble for talking in class, and the teacher told him she was going to call home and talk to his mother. My son panicked and told her that if she did call home, his mom and dad would 'smash his head into the carpet and give him a black eye.' The teacher reported this to DFS (children's aide) and I had a knock on my door that afternoon.

Of course, the social worker came in my house and talked to my son, knew he was lying immediately when he started to cry and said he had lied because he didn't want the teacher to call home. He had never been in any kind of trouble, and not thinking (he was about 8 at the time), he was looking for a way to simply not have the phone call home. When she asked him what would have really happened if mom and dad got called, he said 'They might have taken my xbox away.'

I think at times, that some kids feel empowered these days, and parents have their hands tied when it comes to punishing their children. (I don't in ANY WAY condone beating children of course, I just think a lot of kids get away with more than I ever did (or thought about doing).

[CaptainCrunch]

Sooo . . . did you take his xbox away for lying?

[The Yen Man]

I think the cold shower thing was more cruel than the hot sauce. I absolutely hate cold showers, and I would consider putting your kid in one a form of abuse. IMO, there is no way this woman should be allowed to adopt any more kids.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by peter12

Eugenics, you mean, as most of those aborted fetuses are probably little black fetuses, and not white fetuses. Racism by another name, really.

I don't think race has anything to do with it. It's SES.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Incidentally, I think that "Hot Sauce Child Abuse" is an awesome band name.

[Locke]

I said this in the last thread, by making him hold hot saunce in his mouth and pouring cold water over him, between all that and crying the kid probably cant breathe, hes effectively being waterboarded.

I half expected the American courts to be totally cool with that.

[Komskies]

Being forced to drink hot sauce sounds like a reward, not punishment.