2011 NFL Playoffs Thread

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by transplant99

ESPN reporting that Cutler has a torn MCL. If true, those players that tweeted yesterday all that crap they did, should be ashamed of themselves.

And I dont like Jay Cutler.

I think it shows how many other players dont like Jay Cutler, to be honest. Seems like alot of people took any chance they could to jump all over him.

I'd like to see how many of those twitter players have played on torn MCLs or compareable injuries

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

ESPN reporting that Cutler has a torn MCL. If true, those players that tweeted yesterday all that crap they did, should be ashamed of themselves.

And I dont like Jay Cutler.

Yep some of those players should have kept their mouths shut until they heard details but IMO this is par for the course when you have a deservedly poor reputation across the league. Really it doesn't matter as if he stayed in the game the Bears would have still lost and no team will ever win a Superbowl with Cutler as a starting QB.

[HOOT]

To be fair to those players Cutler was just standing there at the sideline not something you do with a leg injury usually. If it was a serious injury you would think he would either be sitting, or working on it with the trainers and I didn't see either. My first thought was he just quit on the team like he did in Denver and I still believe that MCL injury and all.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by HOOT

To be fair to those players Cutler was just standing there at the sideline not something you do with a leg injury usually. If it was a serious injury you would think he would either be sitting, or working on it with the trainers and I didn't see either. My first thought was he just quit on the team like he did in Denver and I still believe that MCL injury and all.

The initial injury happened in the 2nd quarter. He was checked out during halftime and was deemed unfit to play. They decided to let him start the 3rd quarter and see how he did. He couldnt plant when he threw (even though every pass is off a back foot) and Lovie Smith made the dicision to pull him. So he actually was checked out by doctors and coaches, despite what it looks like.

He was not helping his team by being out there with that injury and he would have been putting his future in danger as well.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

you are dreaming, the Packers have a ton of guys on IR, they are the team of the future in this division, not mopey Cutler and an aging defense in Chicago... the Bears beat the Seahawks in the playoffs... enough said

Furthermore a lot of the big key guys in that Chicago front 7 are starting to get up there in age. Urlacher, Briggs, Idonije, and Peppers are 30 or older. They maybe have two more years before that defence starts needing some pretty significant retooling. They had no picks in the first three rounds of last years draft so it's not like they have depth in those positions to challenge the starters. In fact not having any significant injuries was the biggest reason that Bears defence was as good as they were this past year.

The way the Lions have progressed under Schwartz, I think that will be the team challenging Green Bay within a couple of years.

Originally Posted by HOOT

To be fair to those players Cutler was just standing there at the sideline not something you do with a leg injury usually. If it was a serious injury you would think he would either be sitting, or working on it with the trainers and I didn't see either. My first thought was he just quit on the team like he did in Denver and I still believe that MCL injury and all.

I don't doubt the injury, but in the late game I see Maurkice Pouncey in street clothes, on crutches looking absolutely distraught when the Steelers botched that snap and gave up the safety. That looked like an injured guy who wanted back into the game in the worst way. Cutler looked pretty ho hum there on the sidelines. Teams need their QB to be a leader, and to me it didn't look the Bears had a leader on the sidelines in Cutler.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by HOOT

To be fair to those players Cutler was just standing there at the sideline not something you do with a leg injury usually. If it was a serious injury you would think he would either be sitting, or working on it with the trainers and I didn't see either. My first thought was he just quit on the team like he did in Denver and I still believe that MCL injury and all.

That's the problem when you carry yourself like an ass like Cutler does. You just aren't going to get any goodwill when bad things happen that classy players will get. For example if this happened to Manning or Brady would this even be brought up by anyone? Everyone would think if Manning is out of the game he must be really hurt. But due to the way Cutler dealt with people/players in Denver and Chicago people expect the worst.

Peter King sums it up nicely;

The problem when you're not a popular player, and Cutler certainly is not, is that you don't have the kind of good will built up to make something like this go away. I read one report early this morning of a Cutler jersey being burned in the Soldier Field parking lot after the game. And if the MRI he undergoes today comes back negative, or shows a minor injury, it'll take Cutler a long time to get over this. If he ever does.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1ByyH1jDX

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Furthermore a lot of the big key guys in that Chicago front 7 are starting to get up there in age. Urlacher, Briggs, Idonije, and Peppers are 30 or older. They maybe have two more years before that defence starts needing some pretty significant retooling. They had no picks in the first three rounds of last years draft so it's not like they have depth in those positions to challenge the starters. In fact not having any significant injuries was the biggest reason that Bears defence was as good as they were this past year.

The way the Lions have progressed under Schwartz, I think that will be the team challenging Green Bay within a couple of years.



I don't doubt the injury, but in the late game I see Maurkice Pouncey in street clothes, on crutches looking absolutely distraught when the Steelers botched that snap and gave up the safety. That looked like an injured guy who wanted back into the game in the worst way. Cutler looked pretty ho hum there on the sidelines. Teams need their QB to be a leader, and to me it didn't look the Bears had a leader on the sidelines in Cutler.

That's the biggest problem. Every player on the Bears' sideline has defended him, and Caleb Hanie was backing him up and saying that he played a big part in how Hanie performed coming off the bench the way he did. Problem is nobody saw it so they all make assumptions.

[Erick Estrada]

Apparently it's only a sprain;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

Not saying that a guy can play on a sprain but I'm willing to bet some QB's would have gutted it out. Rivers played on a torn MCL for example.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Cutler looked pretty ho hum there on the sidelines. Teams need their QB to be a leader, and to me it didn't look the Bears had a leader on the sidelines in Cutler.

I know they don't show much of the sideline action but it seemed when they showed Cutler sitting beside Haine he wasn't even talking to the kid. You would think having this young kid sitting beside you with the playbook you would jump in and help him but he just sat there staring into space.

I'm no starting QB but even if I was injured I'd be helping the 2nd or 3rd QB to win the game because with two weeks of rest who knows, maybe I'd be ready to play and win a Superbowl instead of sitting there looking like he is wondering what to order after the game.

The sad thing is I was one of those people who defended him but after seeing that display he deserves everything he gets from fans and media. I can't wait to hear what Wilbon says today!

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Apparently it's only a sprain;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

Not saying that a guy can play on a sprain but I'm willing to bet some QB's would have gutted it out. Rivers played on a torn MCL for example.

This is still up in the air, there are also reports that he has a tear and it may just be a grade 1. Otherwise, technically speaking you cannot sprain an MCL, there are just different grades of a tear. It looks like it may be a grade 1 or 2 which is determined as a "sprain" (not fully torn, can be repaired in 3-6 weeks)

Regardless of how bad "sprain" sounds, its the same injury that took Troy Polomalu out earlier this season and has ben extremely cautious of coming back

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't doubt the injury, but in the late game I see Maurkice Pouncey in street clothes, on crutches looking absolutely distraught when the Steelers botched that snap and gave up the safety. That looked like an injured guy who wanted back into the game in the worst way. Cutler looked pretty ho hum there on the sidelines. Teams need their QB to be a leader, and to me it didn't look the Bears had a leader on the sidelines in Cutler.

Exactly what he said, it doesn't matter if people like or don't like Cutler, his demeanor when on the sidelines was pathetic, especially from a fans point of view. The optics of the whole situation just doesn't work in Cutler's favor. And the fact that his teammates stuck up for him doesn't hold any weight for me because they are saying what we expect them to say.

As for the NFL players that tweeted about Cutler, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not sure Twitter was the proper outlet for something like that.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I know they don't show much of the sideline action but it seemed when they showed Cutler sitting beside Haine he wasn't even talking to the kid. You would think having this young kid sitting beside you with the playbook you would jump in and help him but he just sat there staring into space.

I'm no starting QB but even if I was injured I'd be helping the 2nd or 3rd QB to win the game because with two weeks of rest who knows, maybe I'd be ready to play and win a Superbowl instead of sitting there looking like he is wondering what to order after the game.

The sad thing is I was one of those people who defended him but after seeing that display he deserves everything he gets from fans and media. I can't wait to hear what Wilbon says today!

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=6053836

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by DropIt

This is still up in the air, there are also reports that he has a tear and it may just be a grade 1. Otherwise, technically speaking you cannot sprain an MCL, there are just different grades of a tear. It looks like it may be a grade 1 or 2 which is determined as a "sprain" (not fully torn, can be repaired in 3-6 weeks)

Regardless of how bad "sprain" sounds, its the same injury that took Troy Polomalu out earlier this season and has ben extremely cautious of coming back

Speaking from someone who has sprained his MCL, I don't know where you are coming from saying that there can't be a sprain of that ligament.

As for the comparison to Polomalu, I think he range of motion needed to be a saftey is much much different than the range of motion for a QB.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Speaking from someone who has sprained his MCL, I don't know where you are coming from saying that there can't be a sprain of that ligament.

As for the comparison to Polomalu, I think he range of motion needed to be a saftey is much much different than the range of motion for a QB.

ESPN just had a physician on and he said that a sprain and a tear (when speaking of the MCL) are the same thing.

I had no idea.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Speaking from someone who has sprained his MCL, I don't know where you are coming from saying that there can't be a sprain of that ligament.

As for the comparison to Polomalu, I think he range of motion needed to be a saftey is much much different than the range of motion for a QB.

its because you can't. A 'sprained' MCL is a grade 1 tear while a 'torn' MCL is a grade 3 tear. Its reported he has a grade 2. as someone who has had a grade 1 MCL tear.

Also, i dont think it really matters what position you play, he still has to plant in order to throw the ball, and with his offensive line he would need range of motion or order to run.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by DropIt

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=6053836

I'm not debating he didn't help him at all but what is Haine going to say? He can't really say anything but that without hurting himself.

Maybe you saw a different game but from a viewers point of view it didn't look good and everyone who was watching the game with me agreed. But taking the word of a teammate isn't enough for me from what I saw. Again I could be wrong, hopefully I was, but the optics were bad.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm not debating he didn't help him at all but what is Haine going to say? He can't really say anything but that without hurting himself.

Maybe you saw a different game but from a viewers point of view it didn't look good and everyone who was watching the game with me agreed. But taking the word of a teammate isn't enough for me from what I saw. Again I could be wrong, hopefully I was, but the optics were bad.

Im sure I saw the same thing, I was sondering what the hell his problem was as well. And maybe because im a fan, but the way his quaterback and all his team mates came to his defence is a pretty big indicator that he didnt puss out.

And this is from a team (especially the defence) that doesnt let half ass efforts fly. They ran Cedric Benson out of town for this reason, because he wasnt giving it 100%. Brian Urlacher is one guy that has the ability to run someone out on his own accord if he doesnt like the way you play and he is Cutler's biggest defender in this media debacle.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I know they don't show much of the sideline action but it seemed when they showed Cutler sitting beside Haine he wasn't even talking to the kid. You would think having this young kid sitting beside you with the playbook you would jump in and help him but he just sat there staring into space.

I'm no starting QB but even if I was injured I'd be helping the 2nd or 3rd QB to win the game because with two weeks of rest who knows, maybe I'd be ready to play and win a Superbowl instead of sitting there looking like he is wondering what to order after the game.

The sad thing is I was one of those people who defended him but after seeing that display he deserves everything he gets from fans and media. I can't wait to hear what Wilbon says today!

Wait no longer!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ael&id=6052280

[OILFAN #81]

Mendenhall and Big Ben.....what is Mendenhall doing?:

http://www.twitvid.com/2P3TP

[rubecube]

I'm surprised DropIt is such a huge Lovie Smith fan. I think he's one of the worst coaches in the league.