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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

in terms of starters I think they had the best return

McClain started I think 15 games, he missed 1 with injury
Houston played in every game (hard to say he started because they rotated 7 guys usually on the d line, and he was in the rotation from game 1)
Veldheer started the last half of the season at LT and was great
Bruce Campbell (who was a project pick and not expected to do much) started 4 games I think and played in 10
Jacoby Ford went Beast Mode in the 2nd half of the season
Walter McFadden played a bit in dime formations

that's probly the best return I think in terms of a draft class so far all around

especially when you had two guys in Veldheer and McClain playing 2 of the most important positions on the field (LT and MLB) very well, and they look like they are going to lock those positions down for awhile

Davis gets ripped on his drafting because of Russell (although he was the consensus pick) and DHB (who isn't looking great, but look at what McFadden did in year 3, next year will be huge for DHB)

but he has had some very solid picks, Miller in the 2nd round, Asomugha at the end of the 1st (called a reach by everyone), Murphy and Ford in the 4th etc.

and the Seymour trade everyone ripped looks like a great deal now

Again I can name two teams who had similar success this season with guys from the most recent draft.

Im not saying the raiders had a bad draft, only that it is impossible to say they had the best...because that remains to be seen. I would suspect there are more than a few clubs that feel they did well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So Oakland has one decent draft amongst severaly years of terrible drafting, and suddenly Davis is "sharp?"

He's had his share of poor drafts for sure I'm not defending that but smart people sometimes make bad decisions. Take Darryl Sutter for example. Really smart hockey man but he made some poor moves at the end of his tenure. Doesn't mean he's not a sharp guy. In a way Darryl Sutter and Al Davis are two of a kind. Very astute in their particular sports but their stubborness and close minded approach puts them behind more progressive managers.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again I can name two teams who had similar success this season with guys from the most recent draft.

Im not saying the raiders had a bad draft, only that it is impossible to say they had the best...because that remains to be seen. I would suspect there are more than a few clubs that feel they did well.

Okay can we agree they have had the best return so far? If not please start naming teams player by player that performed better this year.

[Sylvanfan]

I think it's unquantifiable to say who had the best draft. Say Sam Bradford goes on to be the Rams QB for the next 15 years, wins 3 Superbowls, and Rodger Saffold is the starting left tackle for every one of those seasons....The Rams had the best draft type of thing.

Raiders had a good draft though...and actually cultivated some of their talent this past year.

[Bobblehead]

Every player the 49ers drafted is still on the roster and played in at least 4 games, with the 2 1st rounders starting every game.

Way too early to tell who "won" last year's draft.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Jets got Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes in their draft.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think it's unquantifiable to say who had the best draft. Say Sam Bradford goes on to be the Rams QB for the next 15 years, wins 3 Superbowls, and Rodger Saffold is the starting left tackle for every one of those seasons....The Rams had the best draft type of thing.

Raiders had a good draft though...and actually cultivated some of their talent this past year.

Really if the team with the first pick does their homework properly they should always win the draft because they get the best player. There's no doubt that Bradford was the highest impact rookie and could go down as the best player in the draft when all is said and done. However 31 teams didn't get the opportunity to draft him so you can't hold it against them. The NFL draft is all about filling holes in your roster and if you want to grade it round by round you are likely going to have a team that fared better overall.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Every player the 49ers drafted is still on the roster and played in at least 4 games, with the 2 1st rounders starting every game.

Way too early to tell who "won" last year's draft.

I agree but this argument started by someone objecting to my statement;

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There's no doubt his inability to let go and seek out help to run the franchise or listen to others has really hurt the team but he's still pretty sharp as evidenced by last years draft which may have been the best by any team.

Notice how I never said they 'won'. I just said they may have had the best draft.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Jets got Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes in their draft.

Can't wait until Sunday so we won't have to hear from you until next offseason.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Notice how I never said they 'won'. I just said they may have had the best draft.

It doesn't matter if you call it cow patties, it is still BS.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Okay can we agree they have had the best return so far? If not please start naming teams player by player that performed better this year.

The Packers drafted 7 players this past April.

1st Rd Bryan Bulaga played in all 16 games started 13 of those.
2nd rd Mike Neal played in the first 2 games before going on IR
3rd rd Morgan Burnett started first 4 games before going on IR.
4th rd Andrew Quarless started 3 games played in 13.
5th rd Marshall newhouse didnt make the team
6th rd James Starks was on PUP list for first 10 games. has started 3 games since coming off that and 2 more in the PO where he is the leading rusher of all playoff teams.
7th rd CJ Wilson has played in 15 games starting 2 of them


So how does that not rate right there with the raiders?

Hell look at the Patriots...their most recent draft class had guys play 100 games this season.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracke...-team-input:ne

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can't wait until Sunday so we won't have to hear from you until next offseason.

I was actually joking, Cromartie didn't even cost us a pick in the last draft, its this upcoming one. I'll still be here if/when the Jets lose.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Funny Elvis Grbac story

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/6...ac-story-youll

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The Packers drafted 7 players this past April.

1st Rd Bryan Bulaga played in all 16 games started 13 of those.
2nd rd Mike Neal played in the first 2 games before going on IR
3rd rd Morgan Burnett started first 4 games before going on IR.
4th rd Andrew Quarless started 3 games played in 13.
5th rd Marshall newhouse didnt make the team
6th rd James Starks was on PUP list for first 10 games. has started 3 games since coming off that and 2 more in the PO where he is the leading rusher of all playoff teams.
7th rd CJ Wilson has played in 15 games starting 2 of them


So how does that not rate right there with the raiders?

Hell look at the Patriots...their most recent draft class had guys play 100 games this season.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracke...-team-input:ne

I think it does

I just thought the Raiders had the best in terms of starters, in terms of impacts and who had the best draft, those can't be answered for probably 4-5 years

but right now I think Raiders/Packers/Pats/Rams are the early front runners

[Sylvanfan]

I think if you look into it, many teams had a good draft this past year.

The Chiefs who no one has mentioned drafted

Eric Berry
Dexter McCluster
Javier Arenas
Tony Moeki
Jon Asamoah
Kendrick Lewis

who all played varying roles with the team. It was a deep draft with a lot of underclassman opting in last year and there were a lot of good rookies in the leauge this past season.

[ResAlien]

Trying to argue with Raider fans is like arguing with Canuck fans. They have no sense of reality and will fight you to the death. At best it's a pyrrhic victory.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Trying to argue with Raider fans is like arguing with Canuck fans. They have no sense of reality and will fight you to the death. At best it's a pyrrhic victory.

I was thinking that trying to talk logic with Raider fans was like trying to talk economics with staunch NDP supporters.

[transplant99]

actually the more I look at it, and I certainly haven't looked at all the teams, it appears that the Patriots draft is one for the ages.

Remarkable that a team who was in a re-build/re-tool season went 14-2 with raw rookies accounting for 100 man games played. Belichick really is a genius.

[transplant99]

Speculation that Haynesworth may be headed to the Eagles.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...aded-to-eagles

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

actually the more I look at it, and I certainly haven't looked at all the teams, it appears that the Patriots draft is one for the ages.

Remarkable that a team who was in a re-build/re-tool season went 14-2 with raw rookies accounting for 100 man games played. Belichick really is a genius.

I hate Belichek but he really might be the best ever. Although I would really like him to win something post-Spygate.

Another team that no one has mentioned yet is the Bucs. They had what could be an incredible draft and I also didn't realize how many injuries this team had. Mike Williams, Cody Grimm awesome jobs as late round picks and even more impressive is Blount and Ted Larsen as undrafted FAs were amazing.