01-15-2011, 09:34 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by rubecube
If Rodgers wins this year, he has to be #3.
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I just admire how he did it all year without a running game to speak of. You could see how Brees wasn't nearly affective when their starting running backs went down with injuries.
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01-15-2011, 09:39 PM
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#602
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
If Rodgers wins this year, he has to be #3.
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Might be a stupid irrelevant question at the moment, but is Rodgers already better then Favre ever was?
Maybe not at the moment, but he could win the Super Bowl in his third year as a starter. Also, Rodgers put up more passing yards last season (4434) then Favre ever did in his career (most was 4413). Whoever finally made the decision in the Packers organization to let Favre go should be commended.
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01-15-2011, 09:46 PM
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#603
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Originally Posted by trackercowe
Packers/Steelers would be alright, based on the history of the franchises. But, the Patriots would bring in much better ratings, and probably a better game. The Monday nighter they had a month ago was fantastic, and that was without Rogers in the lineup.
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Does the match-up in the Super Bowl really matter when it comes to ratings?
It seems like 90% of the viewers will watch the game no matter what. It is more of an event than any other sports finals and the match-up would seem to have a minor effect on who watches it.
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01-15-2011, 09:51 PM
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#604
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by trackercowe
Might be a stupid irrelevant question at the moment, but is Rodgers already better then Favre ever was?
Maybe not at the moment, but he could win the Super Bowl in his third year as a starter. Also, Rodgers put up more passing yards last season (4434) then Favre ever did in his career (most was 4413). Whoever finally made the decision in the Packers organization to let Favre go should be commended.
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No.
As much as I believe Favre has permanently ruined his legacy and actually created a new legacy as a total scumbag and loser, the stats don't lie.
Favre is top 3 all time.
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01-15-2011, 09:57 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by moon
Does the match-up in the Super Bowl really matter when it comes to ratings?
It seems like 90% of the viewers will watch the game no matter what. It is more of an event than any other sports finals and the match-up would seem to have a minor effect on who watches it.
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Ratings are always good for the Superbowl but IMO having an Eastern Team like Boston, Jets, Steelers makes for more slightly better ratings. A Jets/Packers Superbowl could draw record ratings.
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01-15-2011, 09:58 PM
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#606
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by trackercowe
Might be a stupid irrelevant question at the moment, but is Rodgers already better then Favre ever was?
Maybe not at the moment, but he could win the Super Bowl in his third year as a starter. Also, Rodgers put up more passing yards last season (4434) then Favre ever did in his career (most was 4413). Whoever finally made the decision in the Packers organization to let Favre go should be commended.
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Favre sort of made that decision easier by retiring and then trying to come back, but it was Ted Thompson's succession plan to always have Rodgers succeed Favre. Ted thompson takes alot of heat from Packer fans, but I think this year more an dmore have finally realized that he's actually been doing a pretty damn good job for the organization.
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01-15-2011, 09:58 PM
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#607
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I think the Packers and Steelers both rate in the top 5 in terms of National fan base in the NFL. It would probably make for the highest rated Superbowl ever. But really...this year it doesn't matter who's in the game, it probably will be the highest rated Superbowl ever. TV ratings for the NFL have been huge this year. Still I think the Patriots, Packers, Bears, and Steelers are all top 5 teams in terms of National fan base, certainly all top 10.
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01-15-2011, 09:59 PM
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#608
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
No.
Favre is top 3 all time.
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I'm all for people having their own opinions but top 3 all time 
com' on Man
There's some guys like Brady,Rothlisberger, Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, Montana, Aikman etc...etc. (all multiple Champions)
Top 3 all time 
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01-15-2011, 10:00 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
I'm all for people having their own opinions but top 3 all time
com' on Man
There's some guys like Brady,Rothlisberger, Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, Montana, Aikman etc...etc. (all multiple Champions)
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Are you kidding me? The guy leads every individual stat category known to man. Won a Superbowl and has multiple MVPs.
The fact Rothlisberger is in your post at all discredits it totally.
Greatest all time?
No Montana? No Elway? No Marino?
No wonder civil discussion is so rare on CP. I make a very valid point and someone takes it way too far and acts like I just suggested the earth is flat. Sad really.
Last edited by Cecil Terwilliger; 01-15-2011 at 10:03 PM.
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01-15-2011, 10:03 PM
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#610
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Franchise Player
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Four of the top Eight watched Super Bowls all featured the Brady led Patriots. The Jets will draw mostly Jet fans (large fan base though). The Patriots would draw both Pats fans, and many non-football fans. Did a quick look at all-time Super Bowl ratings, and Moon does seem kind of right, that teams may not play a huge role in the ratings of the game, but if I were Roger Goodell I would want that Patriots/Packers match up, as that would bring in more non-sports fans.
Here are a couple links to ratings histories.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/200...-ratings/11044
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ion_broadcasts
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01-15-2011, 10:03 PM
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#611
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Are you kidding me? The guy leads every individual stat category known to man.
The fact Rothlisberger is in your post at all discredits it totally.
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Why does Rothlisberger dis credit my post? I'm a huge Patriots fan, but Rothlisberger makes things happen that other guys can't
Just because Favre threw 100,000 passes and played hurt all the time does not make him one of the greatest.
He's not even in my top 10 
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01-15-2011, 10:05 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
Why does Rothlisberger dis credit my post? I'm a huge Patriots fan, but Rothlisberger makes things happen that other guys can't
Just because Favre threw 100,000 passes and played hurt all the time does not make him one of the greatest.
He's not even in my top 10 |
Your top 10? This isn't a favorites discussion. It is objectively judging the all time best QBs.
My all time fave QB is Ryan Leaf but you don't see him in my all time best list.
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01-15-2011, 10:05 PM
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#613
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Are you kidding me? The guy leads every individual stat category known to man. Won a Superbowl and has multiple MVPs.
The fact Rothlisberger is in your post at all discredits it totally.
Greatest all time?
No Montana? No Elway? No Marino?
No wonder civil discussion is so rare on CP. I make a very valid point and someone takes it way too far and acts like I just suggested the earth is flat. Sad really. |
Forgot about Elway, Marino may have been the best passer EVER!!! but he's not even in the same sentence as the others because he didn't win
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01-15-2011, 10:05 PM
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#614
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Farve also has records for durability and longevity. As much as he made things into a circus the past couple of seasons that consecutive games started streak was pretty impressive.
Either way Rogers is damn good right now, but he hasn't even made a Superbowl yet, let alone won one. Once he's got a Superbowl, and 100 career starts....than maybe you can start comparing him to Farve.
Although...Green Bay made the right move letting Farve move on and staying with Rogers, thats not even a question. Had they traded Rogers three years ago to let Farve play the year to year game, that franchise is probably a lot more like the Vikings are today.
I remember listening to that draft, and really wanted the Chiefs to grab Rogers.
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01-15-2011, 10:06 PM
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#615
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
No.
As much as I believe Favre has permanently ruined his legacy and actually created a new legacy as a total scumbag and loser, the stats don't lie.
Favre is top 3 all time.
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Sorry, I should of made myself more clear. I don't mean all-time better, that would be crazy. But, at this moment is Rodgers better than Favre was at any point in his career.
The crazy thing is neither Favre, nor Rodgers had/have great offensive weapons/wide receivers. Solid options for sure, but not a Rice/Moss/Owens/Harrison/Davis etc. I guess Donald Driver is still around; I swear that guy has to be like 50 years old.
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01-15-2011, 10:07 PM
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#616
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Your top 10? This isn't a favorites discussion. It is objectively judging the all time best QBs.
My all time fave QB is Ryan Leaf but you don't see him in my all time best list.
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wasn't talking about my favorites. I was talking about who I think are the top 10 greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Everyone says that Manning is so good, He's like Marino. great talent but he needs to be surrounded by all star talent. He doesn't make the players around him better
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01-15-2011, 10:13 PM
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#617
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
wasn't talking about my favorites. I was talking about who I think are the top 10 greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Everyone says that Manning is so good, He's like Marino. great talent but he needs to be surrounded by all star talent. He doesn't make the players around him better
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What you think Jacob Tamme would have 67 receptions if he played for the Cleveland Browns?
Manning is a good player, and he does allow those around him to be better. But he doesn't play that all out style that a guy like Elway did. Manning and Marino were more controlled emotion guys who try to stay on an even keel. Whereas guys like Elway or Farve showed everything on the field.
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01-15-2011, 10:15 PM
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#618
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
wasn't talking about my favorites. I was talking about who I think are the top 10 greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Everyone says that Manning is so good, He's like Marino. great talent but he needs to be surrounded by all star talent. He doesn't make the players around him better
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Lol, so Peyton Manning is not in your top 10 QB's of all time?
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01-15-2011, 10:18 PM
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Manning will probably retire with 6-7 MVP's, and hopefully for his sake 2 Super Bowl's. To not have him in your top 10 is insanity.
Plus he did this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ch-e...eature=related
Last edited by trackercowe; 01-15-2011 at 10:24 PM.
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01-15-2011, 10:22 PM
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#620
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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Originally Posted by trackercowe
Peyton will probably retire with 6-7 MVP's, and hopefully for his sake 2 Super Bowl's. T not have him in your top 10 is insanity.
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Not to mention most, if not all of the QB career records like TD's in a career, yards in a career, completions in a career. He is already top 3 in all of those and is 109 TD's behind Brett Favre for 1st. He could do that in 3 years but early in the 4th season for sure.
People can have their argument on who is 1-2 etc but to not have him in the top 10 is lunacy.
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