The Official NBA 2010/2011 Thread

[Wise Gamble]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

I watched all the finals he might have won the MVP, but shaq was lazy and took regular seasons off, Kobe carried them for large portions of the regular season. You can't just make a stupid claim like Moon usually does about Kobe having 0 rings without Shaq, it works both ways. No Kobe no rings, No Shaq no rings.

Pretty much. Speaking of the Lakers...hope they don't cover this 13 point spread.

[tendulkar23]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Seriously?! They got Smith, a center who averaged 16 points, 11 boards, and 3 blocks that first season with the Bucks. He's still considered one of the best shot-blockers to ever play the game. And they got Winters, who had four straight seasons of 18+ points, was an all-star, played for nine seasons with the Bucks and had his jersey retired by them. They also retired Bridgeman's jersey, who played nine seasons with the Bucks, most of them average 14 points a game or better. Mayers was solid but unspectacular in four seasons with the Bucks. Unfortunately, they traded Smith to Cleveland after a couple seasons for two draft picks, which became Ernie Grunfeld and George Johnson, and that was where the Bucks really started to decline as a franchise.

Yeah, you'd rather have one of the the top players of all time than that group of guys, but it's not even close to the worst of all time.

Jabbar had more career points than all of those guys combined. He was a huge draw for the public and helped sell out plenty of games. It was definitely not fair value. Would they make the trade if Jabbar never demanded it? More importantly, would you make that trade if you were GM?

It was a bad trade, whether you admit it or not.

[tendulkar23]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

I watched all the finals he might have won the MVP, but shaq was lazy and took regular seasons off, Kobe carried them for large portions of the regular season. You can't just make a stupid claim like Moon usually does about Kobe having 0 rings without Shaq, it works both ways. No Kobe no rings, No Shaq no rings.

I never said Shaq single-handedly won those championships. It definitely works both ways, yet you claimed Kobe carried the Lakers and Shaq was too busy getting fat and faking an injury. If you watched any Lakers basketball, as you claim, you would have seen the way Shaq got double teamed and beat up.

Phil Jackson has continually stated that Shaq gets pushed around more than any player in the league. According to Phil, it's because of Shaq's size and the fact that he doesn't get knocked down very easily. I don't understand how you can claim that Shaq faked an injury.

Also, if you watch some old games from that time, you will see how much easier Kobe had it back then. Shaq took a lot of defensive pressure off of Bryant. It's very clear that Kobe is a much better player now than in those days. He's had to deal with a lot more double teams and teams shape their defensive strategies around him. Like it or not but it was all about Shaq and how to stop him during the championships.

[secol]

Originally Posted by tendulkar23

LeBron still went through with a sign and trade, even though the team showed their true colors. Cleveland received two first rounders and two second rounders, along with a trade exception. LeBron had no business doing that, but he still did.

That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that Carmelo has said that he does not want to be traded to New Jersey.

That was not the first opportunity he got to leave. Do you not remember the extension he signed? Since when are rookie deals 7 years long?

I know that I wouldn't blame the guy, our team was and still is doing a terrible job building around Iggy. I don't blame guys that leave during free agency, they don't owe anything to any team. They should pursue the best option for themselves. It's their career, not their team's.

err by doing a sign+trade lebron got to be paid more than what he could've gotten by signing directly afaik?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by secol

err by doing a sign+trade lebron got to be paid more than what he could've gotten by signing directly afaik?

The max contract he could sign in Cleveland was 6yrs/$125m, where he signed a contract for 6yrs/$110m with Miami. So he took a $15m pay cut but will save about $5m in income tax and won't have to play in Cleveland. He also got an early termination (2013-14) clause which Cleveland was not willing to give him from what I heard.

[Trojan97]

I don't post much about the NBA outside of the Raptors but I had to post this link as it makes me sick.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...oshs_comments/

Chasing after a loose ball in the third quarter, Asik dove on the floor and rolled over Bosh's ankle.

"C'mon, that is how guys get hurt, that is how serious injuries happen," Bosh said after the game. "You've got to watch people's legs. I know guys want to hustle and everything but we all want to play and provide for our families and have a job.


Criticizing a role player for going hard after a loose ball. No wonder Bosh went to Miami to be a third wheel, he just doesn't get it and will never have the mentality or heart to be "the guy" on a winning team.

He needs to keep his damn mouth shut. His opinions on everything have become tiresome.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

I don't post much about the NBA outside of the Raptors but I had to post this link as it makes me sick.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...oshs_comments/

Chasing after a loose ball in the third quarter, Asik dove on the floor and rolled over Bosh's ankle.

"C'mon, that is how guys get hurt, that is how serious injuries happen," Bosh said after the game. "You've got to watch people's legs. I know guys want to hustle and everything but we all want to play and provide for our families and have a job.


Criticizing a role player for going hard after a loose ball. No wonder Bosh went to Miami to be a third wheel, he just doesn't get it and will never have the mentality or heart to be "the guy" on a winning team.

He needs to keep his damn mouth shut. His opinions on everything have become tiresome.

Guy is making himself look like an idiot this season, first his "Coach wants us to work hard but we just want to have fun" comments and now these comments.

How can you fault a guy for going after a loose ball in a game, especially a game like that where it is two of the top teams in the conference in a close game.

Just proof that he does not have the winning mentality and hopefully the Heat don't expect to count on him in the playoffs because he will show that he is all about exposure, fame, and money and does not care at all about championships.

Blessing in disguise that the Raptors are not building the franchise around this guy.

[flames_1987]

Lakers/Clippers had a similar issue when Griffin went hard for a rebound against Odom last night with only 6 seconds left and the Clippers up by 9. Kobe commented on saying "that's how he was brought up to play, you play hard till the game is over." That's Kobe saying that and it's his own teammate at question. Then you have Christopher Bosh saying that.....he's like a spoiled kid going to private school. Who in the world says that?

[flames_1987]

And in shocking news...Blake Griffin had another huge game. 47 points 14 rebounds

[jiginla12]

top 4 teams in each conference?
West:1 SA Spurs, 2 LA Lakers, 3 Dallas and 4 N.Orleans
(not according to standings cause Dallas was w/o Dirk for quite a few games and went on a spiral downhill)

Spurs are 1 cause of their record, i wasnt quite sure they would do good with tim duncan putting up as little as 5 points in a couple of games early in the season, and george hill is coming up big definitely a candidate for sixth man

Lakers are 2 cause of injury to bynum early in the season and the workload on gasol and odom is just adding up, both men play 4 and 5 and with theo ratliff (back up center) out, doesnt help the lakers, look to watch them go down from here

Mavs are 3 although they are 5th in the standings (as of now), without dirk for a string of games, definitely a candidate for mvp and with caron butler out look for peja stojakovic to make a huge difference for this team with j kidd at point

N.O at 4 even though they have strung together a 9 game win streak, david west is finally playing up to his standards again and chris paul is putting up top 5 pg numbers on a nightly basis, look for the hornets to become 2 or 3 as the lakers continue to struggle.

East: 1 Chicago, 2 Boston, 3 Miami, and 4 Orlando

Chicago = 1 because their playing without noah and boozer is on and off, d rose keeps putting up ridiculous numbers for a 3rd year pg

Boston is 2 b/c of injuries to many players and also fatigue is setting in for their veteran players like shaq, garnett, allen and pierce, but they have so much depth on the bench

Heat are 3 cause of injuries to bosh and wade, with that being said they should be 1 or 2 when they come back

Orlando is 4, they definitely won that trade with the suns, they may have lost gortat but brandon bass has stepped up his game on a large scale

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by jiginla12

top 4 teams in each conference?
West:1 SA Spurs, 2 LA Lakers, 3 Dallas and 4 N.Orleans
(not according to standings cause Dallas was w/o Dirk for quite a few games and went on a spiral downhill)

Spurs are 1 cause of their record, i wasnt quite sure they would do good with tim duncan putting up as little as 5 points in a couple of games early in the season, and george hill is coming up big definitely a candidate for sixth man

Lakers are 2 cause of injury to bynum early in the season and the workload on gasol and odom is just adding up, both men play 4 and 5 and with theo ratliff (back up center) out, doesnt help the lakers, look to watch them go down from here

Mavs are 3 although they are 5th in the standings (as of now), without dirk for a string of games, definitely a candidate for mvp and with caron butler out look for peja stojakovic to make a huge difference for this team with j kidd at point

N.O at 4 even though they have strung together a 9 game win streak, david west is finally playing up to his standards again and chris paul is putting up top 5 pg numbers on a nightly basis, look for the hornets to become 2 or 3 as the lakers continue to struggle.

East: 1 Chicago, 2 Boston, 3 Miami, and 4 Orlando

Chicago = 1 because their playing without noah and boozer is on and off, d rose keeps putting up ridiculous numbers for a 3rd year pg

Boston is 2 b/c of injuries to many players and also fatigue is setting in for their veteran players like shaq, garnett, allen and pierce, but they have so much depth on the bench

Heat are 3 cause of injuries to bosh and wade, with that being said they should be 1 or 2 when they come back

Orlando is 4, they definitely won that trade with the suns, they may have lost gortat but brandon bass has stepped up his game on a large scale

In the West I would have to say that the Nuggets have been playing a lot better lately than the Mavs. I would rank them:

1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Hornets
4. Nuggets

In the East, close to yours, just different:

1. Magic
2. Heat
3. Celtics
4. Bulls

[jiginla12]

i agree with the nuggets playing good, but with all the trade rumours surrounding melo (and a trade is inevitable before deadline cause hes not resigning unless they magically win the championship) is why i didnt rank them top four. im curious as to why your ranked the magic 1st in the east, i see boston going only downhill from here but i think that the bulls and the heat are a more much deserved 1st than the magic in the east.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by jiginla12

i agree with the nuggets playing good, but with all the trade rumours surrounding melo (and a trade is inevitable before deadline cause hes not resigning unless they magically win the championship) is why i didnt rank them top four. im curious as to why your ranked the magic 1st in the east, i see boston going only downhill from here but i think that the bulls and the heat are a more much deserved 1st than the magic in the east.

The Celtics going downhill from here? The team is finally starting to get healthy, and look more determined then ever.

[jiginla12]

Originally Posted by secol

err by doing a sign+trade lebron got to be paid more than what he could've gotten by signing directly afaik?

actually lebron surrendered around 2.1 million, he chose to join the heat with wade and bosh, currently hes being paid 14.5 mill wade is being paid 14 mill and bosh is being paid 14.5 mill

lebron is actually sacrificing over 10 million with heat vs if he signed with the cavs, hes also got a 5 year deal instead of a 6 year deal that the cavs would have offered and plus he has an early termination offer

the nba also bases a players salary on their wins produced, in the 09-10 season lebron produce 27.2 wins, 1 win is equivalent to 1.6 million, so that translates to 43.5 million whereas his actually salary is 14.5 mill

i believe this point is now proven (and if your not smart enough to figure out why hes not receiving the 43.5 million hes worth its cause of a thing called the salary cap)

[jiginla12]

oh yea forgot to add that he was drafted in 2003 so according to the nba his veteran salary max is just over 16 mill

[jiginla12]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The Celtics going downhill from here? The team is finally starting to get healthy, and look more determined then ever.

Yea, their record is 34-10 as of now, their last 10 is 7-3 and just won the other day over cavs (worst team in the league as of now), the reason i said they will be going downhill is because the toll of fatigue on their veteran players (garnett, shaq, allen, pierce), they also have the quite a few key injuries and with the way doc rivers coaches this team with such small rotations this could affect them: shaq is out day-to-day, jermaine o'neal is done for the rest of the season or at least it looks like that as well as delonte west and marquis daniels as well. The rest of the season is only going to get tougher and rondo is not known for his scoring ability hes passer and if the bench has to step in to give the veteran players rest, i can see boston falling a couple spots in the standings.

[FanIn80]

Come on, Phx. Do the right thing. Free Steve Nash!

He had 27 points and 15 assists tonight. He went 11-15 from the field, 4-4 from the arch and 1-1 from the line... but they still lost by 7 points. He can't do much more to win games than that.

[Lil Pedro]

Did anyone happen to see that show on TSN2 where Leo Rautins walked off set when they were discussing biggest busts in the NBA draft? I think one of the hosts made a crack joke about Leo Rautins only playing 23 games in the NBA or something, and I guess he didn't take to kind to those words and left

[bluejays]

^ if you find it online, I'd love to see it. haha

[malcolmk14]

I disagree that the Celtics are going anywhere. People have been saying for years that they look tired and they'll fade down the stretch, and they never do. No reason to believe it'll be any different this year.

And Rondo is a beast.