TIE fighter pilot saved the day

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jackpot_Smooth

How much trouble would the empire have been spared if they listened to leah at the beginning when she sold out Tatooine as the planet with the base. destroy alderan for good measure to prove a point but also covers their @$ses for good measure.

a definite due diligence mistake on their part.

It was Dantoine, and remember that the Empire did send a scouting team to check it out to ensure that there would be no uneccessay loss of life.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

All I know is that I really question the engineers in a galaxy far far away.

Tie Fighters that are one shot kills and no ejection system
XWings that are shielded but they die in one shots.
imperial Star Destroyers with easy to destroy unshielded shield generators.
A superstar Destroyer that probably doesn't have a second bridge in case of damage to the first bridge.
Death Star
Death Star II

If I was an engineer working for the empire, the concept I would be pushing would be this: strip down an imperial star destroyer to basically a hyperspace engine, tractor-beam and very basic defenses, and then come up with a latching system on the front where one of these ships can latch on to an asteroid. Then you simply set a hyperspace course that brings you out of hyperspace just before hitting the planet. While in hyperspace, you de-latch from the asteroid, so that while you come out of hyperspace, the asteroid keeps going. End of life on said planet. It's a solution that's fast, cheap, mobile, and decentralized.

For all the obsessions that sci-fi shows have with lasers, if you have the ability to fling things through space at faster than the speed of light, collisions are going to be the best way to wipe out planets. Large meteors have wiped out the majority of life on earth, and they typically collide with earth at a speed somewhere around 50 miles per second. This weapon could slam a mid-sized meteor into a planet at a speed of greater than 180,000 miles per second. You could probably even engineer your own projectiles to be an extremely dense sphere for maximum impact.

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It was Dantoine, and remember that the Empire did send a scouting team to check it out to ensure that there would be no uneccessay loss of life.

oops, my bad. i thought that she said tatooine. so they actually did their work on their part. good on them.

[Jackpot_Smooth]

Originally Posted by octothorp

If I was an engineer working for the empire, the concept I would be pushing would be this: strip down an imperial star destroyer to basically a hyperspace engine, tractor-beam and very basic defenses, and then come up with a latching system on the front where one of these ships can latch on to an asteroid. Then you simply set a hyperspace course that brings you out of hyperspace just before hitting the planet. While in hyperspace, you de-latch from the asteroid, so that while you come out of hyperspace, the asteroid keeps going. End of life on said planet. It's a solution that's fast, cheap, mobile, and decentralized.

For all the obsessions that sci-fi shows have with lasers, if you have the ability to fling things through space at faster than the speed of light, collisions are going to be the best way to wipe out planets. Large meteors have wiped out the majority of life on earth, and they typically collide with earth at a speed somewhere around 50 miles per second. This weapon could slam a mid-sized meteor into a planet at a speed of greater than 180,000 miles per second. You could probably even engineer your own projectiles to be an extremely dense sphere for maximum impact.

Sounds like you're trying to take away jobs by making things more efficient. way to trigger a depression in the galaxy far far away.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by octothorp

If I was an engineer working for the empire, the concept I would be pushing would be this: strip down an imperial star destroyer to basically a hyperspace engine, tractor-beam and very basic defenses, and then come up with a latching system on the front where one of these ships can latch on to an asteroid. Then you simply set a hyperspace course that brings you out of hyperspace just before hitting the planet. While in hyperspace, you de-latch from the asteroid, so that while you come out of hyperspace, the asteroid keeps going. End of life on said planet. It's a solution that's fast, cheap, mobile, and decentralized.

For all the obsessions that sci-fi shows have with lasers, if you have the ability to fling things through space at faster than the speed of light, collisions are going to be the best way to wipe out planets. Large meteors have wiped out the majority of life on earth, and they typically collide with earth at a speed somewhere around 50 miles per second. This weapon could slam a mid-sized meteor into a planet at a speed of greater than 180,000 miles per second. You could probably even engineer your own projectiles to be an extremely dense sphere for maximum impact.

I think that they had that in Babylon 5. I remember an episode where a fleet of ships fired asteroids at a planet using mass drivers.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And then there was the whole Rebel's are the worst mass murderers in the history of the galaxy.

I mean think about it, not all of the crew of the Death Star and Death Star II were evil, there were soldier's pilots and civillian contracters on both of them in the Millions, and those dirty rebels wiped them out in an explosive flash. The Executer had a crew of like a half million people (according to tech specs on the web) and every star destroyer had 50k.

Sure the Empire wiped out Alderaan, but Alderaan was the birth place of the Rebellion, and was the home to two of the Galaxies most wanted insurrectionists, and I'm sure that Alderaan refused to turn them over to the Imperials.

I mean outside of the Alderaan incident, who did the Empire really slaughter, a couple of hundred corrupt Jedi Knights who were trying to seize power? Ewoks? They took up arms against a lawful government appointed by the Senate to an unlimited term due to an emergency situation that really never ended.

Un named officer one had it right when he properly arrested insurectionists Han Solo and Leia Organa "You rebel scum"

Even the Millenium Falcon, illegally armed and clearly a ship taken up in arms against the Imperial Government.

His Royal Highness Emperor Palpatine was rightfully elected to the Senate, rightfully elected to the role of supreme Chanceller, and was then given emergency powers with the dictate of bringing peace and order to the Galaxy. I mean he was the ultimate in good leadership, he even saved a man who had been horribly maimed and betrayed by the Jedi Knights at great personal expense (Those suits ain't cheap)

That's some very impressive spin doctoring!

(As a side note, have you read the book Death Star?)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

That's some very impressive spin doctoring!

(As a side note, have you read the book Death Star?)

How can the truth be spin doctoring.

And I did read the book, it certainly went out of the way to make the empire look fairly benevolent.

I mean the one main character was a slave, and she had nice quarters, hung out in a bar at night and dated aliens.

Another Storm Trooper located a felon who had escaped lawful detention and basically said screw it your ok in my books I'm not arresting you.

The gunner who blew away Alderaan had guilt pangs.

It was a ok book, but not a blow up my skirt book.

[Mazrim]

Your truth is bending the facts to make the empire sound hard done by. I guess I can try to play devil's advocate with you. (I can't believe I'm doing this)

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I mean think about it, not all of the crew of the Death Star and Death Star II were evil, there were soldier's pilots and civillian contracters on both of them in the Millions, and those dirty rebels wiped them out in an explosive flash. The Executer had a crew of like a half million people (according to tech specs on the web) and every star destroyer had 50k.

Of course not all the crew are the same as the evil people we come to know of in the movies. There are also plenty of documented stories of people with a conscience who can't stand what the Empire was doing, be it either in their practices (sending TIE pilots to slaughter, slavery, brutality and punishment to make their point). To suggest that every person on the Death Star was not complicit in what was happening is silly. Most people knew what was going on. Any military officers definitely did. Their support of the empire's doctrine was to support a society that the World today does not. The empire would surely wipe out those who don't agree with them, while the alliance negotiates before using force.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sure the Empire wiped out Alderaan, but Alderaan was the birth place of the Rebellion, and was the home to two of the Galaxies most wanted insurrectionists, and I'm sure that Alderaan refused to turn them over to the Imperials.

Who made them the Galaxy's most wanted? Palpatine. A man used his position to spread his own (sith) agenda, not for the good of the people he represented.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I mean outside of the Alderaan incident, who did the Empire really slaughter, a couple of hundred corrupt Jedi Knights who were trying to seize power? Ewoks? They took up arms against a lawful government appointed by the Senate to an unlimited term due to an emergency situation that really never ended.

The Empire has more innocent blood than anyone else other than the Sith. A pretty easy example would be the planet the original plans for the Death Star were taken from. Because they were unable to protect the plans sufficiently, the Empire punished the people of that planet, killing most of the inhabitants and forcing the rest into slavery for the Empire, destroying their culture and forcing them to live in a regressed society where all their technology was taken away. Are you suggesting the Alliance would do the same?

How about unleashing the plague on Coruscant, the Empire's own stronghold? It was done simply as a way to deter the Alliance from holding Coruscant after the battle to take it. People meant nothing to the people running the Empire.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

His Royal Highness Emperor Palpatine was rightfully elected to the Senate, rightfully elected to the role of supreme Chanceller, and was then given emergency powers with the dictate of bringing peace and order to the Galaxy. I mean he was the ultimate in good leadership, he even saved a man who had been horribly maimed and betrayed by the Jedi Knights at great personal expense (Those suits ain't cheap)

I can't take this one seriously, so no thanks.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Your truth is bending the facts to make the empire sound hard done by. I guess I can try to play devil's advocate with you. (I can't believe I'm doing this)


Of course not all the crew are the same as the evil people we come to know of in the movies. There are also plenty of documented stories of people with a conscience who can't stand what the Empire was doing, be it either in their practices (sending TIE pilots to slaughter, slavery, brutality and punishment to make their point). To suggest that every person on the Death Star was not complicit in what was happening is silly. Most people knew what was going on. Any military officers definitely did. Their support of the empire's doctrine was to support a society that the World today does not. The empire would surely wipe out those who don't agree with them, while the alliance negotiates before using force.

Their mandate was to support the Empires New Order and bring security and Justice to the Empire. I don't recall in any of the movies where the Tie Fighter Pilots were slaughtering, they were in the first movie defending an invaluable Imperial asset, in the second movie pursuing a ship containing at least three of the most wanted in the galaxy, and in the third movie to defend their emperor. In Revenge of the Sith, sure they shot down a Jedi, but that was only after Mace Windu tries to illegally seize power by arresting the legally elected Supreme Chanceller of the Republic.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Who made them the Galaxy's most wanted? Palpatine. A man used his position to spread his own (sith) agenda, not for the good of the people he represented.

What Sith agenda, he was legally elected to represent Naboo, he was then legally elected to the Supreme Chanceller position over the Sentate, then thanks to the bravery of Jar Jar Binks he was legally granted emergency powers until the emergency passed, the emergency never passed thanks to the rebellion and Intergalactic criminal Bail Organa.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The Empire has more innocent blood than anyone else other than the Sith. A pretty easy example would be the planet the original plans for the Death Star were taken from. Because they were unable to protect the plans sufficiently, the Empire punished the people of that planet, killing most of the inhabitants and forcing the rest into slavery for the Empire, destroying their culture and forcing them to live in a regressed society where all their technology was taken away. Are you suggesting the Alliance would do the same?

Remember that the planet Desparyn or somthing like that was soley a prison planet housing the most evil and reprehensible criminals in the galaxy. You also have to remember that the Empire took the redeemable or somewhat valuable prisoners with them. Its not like they returned the workers to their former predicament before lasering the planet.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

How about unleashing the plague on Coruscant, the Empire's own stronghold? It was done simply as a way to deter the Alliance from holding Coruscant after the battle to take it. People meant nothing to the people running the Empire.

What plague? To me that sounds like rebel propaganda. Remember that the Rebel's weren't so innocent, they brutally mutilated what was probably an indangered species when Rebel Luke Skywalker stumbled into its natural habitat. They brutally put tauntauns at risk by talking them out into sub freezing temperatures for no good reason. And that was on Hoth alone. Not to forget that Luke Skywalker cruelly executed Darth Vader by removing his only means of breathing allowing him to suffer a cruel and lingering death.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I can't take this one seriously, so no thanks.

Was Palpatine not a senator, elected Chanceller and given these powers in a legal vote of the Senate?

[theonlywhiteout]

i think i just got my virginity back reading this thread.

[Mazrim]

Most of the stuff I'm referring to is from Star Wars books, sorry Cpt. Crunch. The movies don't really go very far into the workings of the Empire, but the books (especially the X-Wing and New Jedi Order series) show more about what happens in the upper levels of the empire.

I'm particularly fond of Palpatine killing the creator of the Death Star, then bringing him back to life just to kill him in a more disgusting way! (See: Darksaber) I think he did that like 5 times to him. What a benevolent leader.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Most of the stuff I'm referring to is from Star Wars books, sorry Cpt. Crunch. The movies don't really go very far into the workings of the Empire, but the books (especially the X-Wing and New Jedi Order series) show more about what happens in the upper levels of the empire.

I'm particularly fond of Palpatine killing the creator of the Death Star, then bringing him back to life just to kill him in a more disgusting way! (See: Darksaber) I think he did that like 5 times to him. What a benevolent leader.

That was one of my favourite books, Darksaber. It was like, corruption and incompetence all rolled into one!

[Bertuzzied]

Too bad the Tie fighter pilot couldn't save Star Wars 1 2 or 3. Some of the worst movies ever made!

[Yeah_Baby]

I was content living my life pretending the prequels didn't exist. Thanks for ruining that for me guys. What's next? Reboot Star Trek with NuKirk being a hormonal ######? Sylar as Spock? Ha, that will never happen!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Locke

corruption and incompetence all rolled into one!

It was Kevin J. Anderson, wait, what?

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Locke

That was one of my favourite books, Darksaber. It was like, corruption and incompetence all rolled into one!

Yup, it was one of the better written books, and probably the one from Star Wars that I read the most. If the X-Wing series was one book, I might be able to count that one.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

It was Kevin J. Anderson, wait, what?

I cant spoil it, the book is great though. The X-wing books were good too.

I was also a big fan of 'I, Jedi.' I just thought the concept was so cool and it was really well done.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Most of the stuff I'm referring to is from Star Wars books, sorry Cpt. Crunch. The movies don't really go very far into the workings of the Empire, but the books (especially the X-Wing and New Jedi Order series) show more about what happens in the upper levels of the empire.

I'm particularly fond of Palpatine killing the creator of the Death Star, then bringing him back to life just to kill him in a more disgusting way! (See: Darksaber) I think he did that like 5 times to him. What a benevolent leader.

Yeah, I'm just twisting your tale, I didn't read a lot of the original EU stuff. I did read the Darth Vader trilogy, if you disliked the movie revenge of the Sith read Matt Stovers book, its pretty exceptional.

I read the Legacy of the Force series, the Two Thrawn series and the Fate of the Jedi series.

I do remember hearing about Palpatine executing the designer of the Death Star multiple times, however as a gift to this man, he kept bringing him back to life.

So its not really murder, its motivation.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Locke

I cant spoil it, the book is great though. The X-wing books were good too.

I was also a big fan of 'I, Jedi.' I just thought the concept was so cool and it was really well done.

I liked it too, once you get over the fact that Stackpole is pretty much putting an idealized version of himself into Star Wars in the form of Corran Horn.

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

He got to paint TWO Deathstars on his X-Wing. Luke only got one.

Scoreboard.

I was hoping for a different response consider that was a movie quote