2010 NCAA football thread....

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

I am sure his contract has a clause that includes a championship bonus.

Plus think about the money he gets to come back to Auburn next year.

Surely will be a lot more than he will make in the NFL as a TE.

He is projected to go in the 1st round by most draft experts

Originally Posted by rubecube

Can we quit with the overrated SEC crap now? The best teams in the SEC basically ran through bowl season against the best teams in other conferences, with the exception of Arkansas and Missouri. Not to mention the conference owns five straight national titles.

the $EC is a step below the NFL, and about 2 steps above every other conference

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He is projected to go in the 1st round by most draft experts

Don't worry about it. Moon doesn't like black quarterbacks.

[transplant99]

He is projected to go in the 1st round by most draft experts

Not where I have been reading....though some have suggested it. Most of them project him as the 5th best QB in the draft and its unlikely that many teams will be after a QB in the 1st round.

He has two issues to overcome IMO.

His character being a big one. Never mind the play for pay thing that is in the spotlight recently, because i dont think that really matters to NFL teams. But he has made really poor decisions in the past including the whole computer thing at Fla.

The 2nd one though is bigger. He really doesnt project as a QB in the NFL. His skill set in much more suited to a TE or WR. He is almost in the same position as Tebow was last year, so there is a chance someone will jump up to snag him as a project player. He looks like all the world to me like he is Vince Young part 2, which has yet to finish writing its history. He is as good a college player as anyone in the last decade or so though, that is simply inarguable.

I think we will see a trend start to develop in the NFL where teams will shy away from run first QB's as we move forward. Even Vick this year as awesome as he was for that one month or so stretch, was physically crushed by the end of the year. Unless the player has as good, if not better, ability to pass and think the game quickly, less and less teams will be sinking long term deals with big $$ at these types of QB's.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He is projected to go in the 1st round by most draft experts




the $EC is a step below the NFL, and about 2 steps above every other conference

Not sure if serious.

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He is projected to go in the 1st round by most draft experts

Judging on the past records of QBs drafted in the first round that means he has what about a 50/50 chance of making it and with his skill set likely lower than others since his physical skills will not be as effective in the NFL.

the $EC is a step below the NFL, and about 2 steps above every other conference

I am not sure how the SEC is that far ahead, if at all than the Pac 10 or the Big 12.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Don't worry about it. Moon doesn't like black quarterbacks.

Have no problem with black QB's.

[PIMking]

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not sure how the SEC is that far ahead, if at all than the Pac 10 or the Big 12.

The last five national champions

Auburn
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Florida

the Big 12 is usually close with Oklahoma and Texas but in terms of depth it's not, the Pac 10 is nowhere near the SEC top to bottom

[valo403]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I guess the best thing you can say about playoff system is an undefeated team won't "not" be the champion at the end of the season.

Not all undefeated seasons are worthy of a national title.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not all undefeated seasons are worthy of a national title.

They are all worthy of a chance to compete for it though.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They are all worthy of a chance to compete for it though.

Nope. If Troy runs the Sun Belt and 4 garbage non-conference games they have no business being in any sort of competition for a NC.

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

The last five national champions

Auburn
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Florida

the Big 12 is usually close with Oklahoma and Texas but in terms of depth it's not, the Pac 10 is nowhere near the SEC top to bottom

Most of those NC have been very closely contested and the LSU team would have lost to USC if they played.

Look at the SEC this year and it is pretty similar to the Pac 10. Slightly better but nowhere near the supposed meat grinder that the media tries to play it up to be and that is with the best Pac 10 team on probation. With a non probation USC program the SEC and Pac 10 are likely even this season.

The SEC is the best conference but it isn't heads and shoulders above the Pac 10 or Big 12. Those 3 conferences are on the same level with the others below them.

The SEC had two good teams plus Arkansas that could be good at times after that it was a whole bunch of meh.

[valo403]

Brady Hoke to Michigan. It's hard to imagine that team being much worse, but it just may happen next year. The recruiting class is poor, you'd have to imagine there will be a fair number of transfers out, and it's yet another new system to be learned. Until 2008 Hoke's teams were pretty mediocre, in poor conferences too. I guess this is what happens when you drag your feet on a decision. Congrats ScUM

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

Most of those NC have been very closely contested and the LSU team would have lost to USC if they played.

Look at the SEC this year and it is pretty similar to the Pac 10. Slightly better but nowhere near the supposed meat grinder that the media tries to play it up to be and that is with the best Pac 10 team on probation. With a non probation USC program the SEC and Pac 10 are likely even this season.

The SEC is the best conference but it isn't heads and shoulders above the Pac 10 or Big 12. Those 3 conferences are on the same level with the others below them.

The SEC had two good teams plus Arkansas that could be good at times after that it was a whole bunch of meh.

if you matched up the SEC to the Pac 10, like 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 etc.

the SEC would be favored in 8 or 9 of them

the SEC is head and shoulders above the Pac 10, the Big 12 is top heavy and usually Texas and Okie compete, but the rest of the conference does not

I don't know how the SEC only had 2 good teams plus Arkansas when they had 5 of the top 15 in the final poll

and if you look at the history of BCS bowls, the Sec is 15-6, compared to the big 12 which is 8-10, and the Pac 10 which is 9-5. Not only has the SEC been in the most BCS bowls of the 3 (the big 10 is first in appearances but only has a 10-11 record, and top to bottom is probably the second best conference), and received the most At Large bids, but it has also won the most as well.

[d_phaneuf]

Which also lends credence to the belief by many, that the SEC records of some of the lower talented teams in the conference are because the SEC is such a tough conference top to bottom

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

if you matched up the SEC to the Pac 10, like 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 etc.

the SEC would be favored in 8 or 9 of them

the SEC is head and shoulders above the Pac 10, the Big 12 is top heavy and usually Texas and Okie compete, but the rest of the conference does not

I don't know how the SEC only had 2 good teams plus Arkansas when they had 5 of the top 15 in the final poll

and if you look at the history of BCS bowls, the Sec is 15-6, compared to the big 12 which is 8-10, and the Pac 10 which is 9-5. Not only has the SEC been in the most BCS bowls of the 3 (the big 10 is first in appearances but only has a 10-11 record, and top to bottom is probably the second best conference), and received the most At Large bids, but it has also won the most as well.

The SEC had only 2 good teams plus Arkansas yet 5 teams in the top 15 because this year was very top heavy with 5-8 good teams and then a lot of mediocre teams after that.

LSU and Miss St aren't that good in my view and there are a number of teams that could easily beat them from a bunch of different conferences.

The stats seem to show that yes the SEC is the top conference but not overwhelmingly so. They are number one but certainly not the meat grinder that people make it out to be.

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Which also lends credence to the belief by many, that the SEC records of some of the lower talented teams in the conference are because the SEC is such a tough conference top to bottom

If that was the case than the lower teams should have done well in the bowls instead of absolutely sucking for the most part.

Georgia's record was bad because they weren't that talented which is also why they put up a whopping 6 points on UCF. Similar with Tennessee losing to an undermanned UNC team.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

If that was the case than the lower teams should have done well in the bowls instead of absolutely sucking for the most part.

Georgia's record was bad because they weren't that talented which is also why they put up a whopping 6 points on UCF. Similar with Tennessee losing to an undermanned UNC team.

I think it's hard to judge teams on non BCS bowls because a lot of time the motivation is just not there

prime example this year of that was Nebraska and Washington, Nebraska clearly didn't care about that game at all

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They are all worthy of a chance to compete for it though.

is this a joke? It completely undermines major colleges if anyone who ran a table deserved a chance. I'll call Notre Dame tonight and schedule UT Chatanooga, Buffalo, Portland State, Wyoming and 8 other tier II teams so they can win the next 15 national championships.

The worst thing about college football right now is the belief that the WAC, Mtn West and Sun Belt are the same as the SEC and the PAC10.

[Flames in 07]

So just back in Cgy from the game, I haven't seen the TV version yet, and presume they spoke about this but to me the difference was that this was a Auburn home game. They had 70 percent of the fans and made 90 percent of the noise. I've been to 15 BCS bowls including 4 NC's and have never seen a better group of fans in numbers, noise and how much fun they are for the days leading up to the game. It was a perfect storm of 2 teams that really haven't sniffed at a NC for as long as most of these fans can recall (I think UO never and Auburn was 50 years removed) so the passion behind each play was amazing. As far as football goes, this is an SEC world and we just live in it. I was hoping for the PAC10 to win but just blown away and how much more knowledgeable the fans are at making an impact on the game. Their bands are better, the fans are louder and just care more. After the winning FG, on my way out of the rink I saw about a dozen grown men bawling ... not a little misty, there were dozens more of those but just bawling. Like 60 year old guy crying on his wife's shoulder ... crazy.

Chip Kelly made a large error that he didn't figure out until late in the 4th, because of the noise he always had the UO qb make a motion to start the snap, but he never really faked it, so ya the Auburn line looked great but they knew the snap count for about 2/3rds of the game.

Someone needs to fire whoever is responsible for that field at U of Phx. They spent about 20 million on that system that rolls that field in and out of the stadium but they might as well played in that mud at Heinz field during that MNF game vs the Dolphins a couple years ago. *well, maybe not that bad, but it was awful* The poor field played way too much a part of the game.

Did they say why they were not playing James for about the middle half of the game?

Lastly, one last shot at the playoffs, we had a national championship with the clear 1 and 2 settled on the last play of the game, perfect ending to a great season that a playoff could have only ruined. Yes there are years where we have had 3 deserving undefeated teams, 2 of them I recall where Ironically Auburn was an odd team out IIRC, but we have plenty of years where they just get it right. In a playoff, the Civil war goes from being the most important SEC game in Auburns history to just another rivalry game, Wisconsin's upset of OSU would not matter and football would take a big step towards being basketball. Fun tournament, but lousy and generally irrelevant regular season.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by moon

Most of those NC have been very closely contested and the LSU team would have lost to USC if they played.

What in the blue hell are you talking about?

Auburn 22 Oregon 19
Alabama 37 Texas 21
Florida 24 Oklahoma 14
LSU 38 Ohio State 24
Florida 41 Ohio State 14

They've outscored opponents 162 - 92, with an average margin of victory of 14 points. How is that "closely contested?" The other thing to note is that the offenses they've faced were at the time considered some of the best in the country and 3 out of 5 times have been held under 20 points.