Disappearing honeybees . . .

[C-Life]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Bump.

I just came across this article about a leaked document that shows the EPA approved a pesticide made by Bayer CropScience called clothianidin, despite testing showing it was toxic to "pollinators" including bees.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1708896/w...oxic-pesticide

So maybe the bee die off is strictly chemical related..

Ugh.... morons....

[theonlywhiteout]

I love how the EPA CRTC and FCC and all these government bodies designed to protect american and canadian citizens wind up becoming bed buddies with huge corporations. just awesome.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

I love how the EPA CRTC and FCC and all these government bodies designed to protect american and canadian citizens wind up becoming bed buddies with huge corporations. just awesome.

Don't forget the FDA.

[TylerSVT]

I remember when this whole bee thing came about a couple years ago, i was actually pretty worried for the future.

Now i jsut realize that it was the "next thing" to scare people into acting or doing something a certain way. Just like the 2012 end of the world fiasco... If you do some research, people have been predicting the end of the world for like thousands of years. The only way any of us are really going to be mass killed is if someone decides that Calgary of all places is terrible and wants to bomb us with a nuke.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

I love how the EPA CRTC and FCC and all these government bodies designed to protect american and canadian citizens wind up becoming bed buddies with huge corporations. just awesome.

don't you just love fascism!

[krynski]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

I remember when this whole bee thing came about a couple years ago, i was actually pretty worried for the future.

Now i jsut realize that it was the "next thing" to scare people into acting or doing something a certain way. Just like the 2012 end of the world fiasco... If you do some research, people have been predicting the end of the world for like thousands of years. The only way any of us are really going to be mass killed is if someone decides that Calgary of all places is terrible and wants to bomb us with a nuke.

I am afraid you are miss-informed. The lack of pollinators would be devastating to ecosytems, which would cause a significant change in every one of those. Im also afraid this is REAL, not some assumption because a calendar does not continue. In particular areas in china, PEOPLE are doing the pollination as bees are not present. The on-going bee and amphibian extinctions could cause extreme repercussions, and disturb the balances in ecosystems causing either significant species population depletion, or extinction.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by krynski

I am afraid you are miss-informed. The lack of pollinators would be devastating to ecosytems, which would cause a significant change in every one of those. Im also afraid this is REAL, not some assumption because a calendar does not continue. In particular areas in china, PEOPLE are doing the pollination as bees are not present. The on-going bee and amphibian extinctions could cause extreme repercussions, and disturb the balances in ecosystems causing either significant species population depletion, or extinction.

You read my post wrong, i understand the threat is potentially real... just saying that everyone saying it is the end of the world is stupid and really reaching, in the same vein as the 2012 crap.

[V]

Originally Posted by krynski

In particular areas in china, PEOPLE are doing the pollination as bees are not present.

So this bee thing is creating jobs? Sounds pretty good to me.

If people can replace bees, what's the problem here?? I'm okay with bees going extinct, as long as we can replace their l33t pollination skillz.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

You read my post wrong, i understand the threat is potentially real... just saying that everyone saying it is the end of the world is stupid and really reaching, in the same vein as the 2012 crap.

Its not just one thing that may cause a significant decrease in human population and livelihood, but this is certainly a serious matter. The environment is giving us warnings that things are getting out of equilibrium. A 1/1000 species extinction rate a year (as compared to a baseline 1/million species) is definitely a sign things are not as good as they could be on earth, as well as atmospheric CO2, and garbage islands located in the oceans. They are not literal "islands", but our pollution is seriously out of control. It isn't that the threat is potentially real, its that the threat is real. All that matters is at some point, sh** is going to hit the fan. The real question is when.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

You read my post wrong, i understand the threat is potentially real... just saying that everyone saying it is the end of the world is stupid and really reaching, in the same vein as the 2012 crap.

I think that's a bad comparison.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by krynski

Its not just one thing that may cause a significant decrease in human population and livelihood, but this is certainly a serious matter. The environment is giving us warnings that things are getting out of equilibrium. A 1/1000 species extinction rate a year (as compared to a baseline 1/million species) is definitely a sign things are not as good as they could be on earth, as well as atmospheric CO2, and garbage islands located in the oceans. They are not literal "islands", but our pollution is seriously out of control. It isn't that the threat is potentially real, its that the threat is real. All that matters is at some point, sh** is going to hit the fan. The real question is when.

You know when. 2012!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Of course environmental contamination is becoming a big problem, and I'm not talking about CO2 here.
In the past several decades, humans (through corporate activity) have created thousands of new chemicals that add conveniance to our lives to some degree. The problem is the democratic political machine is so broken that we just allow this without studying the long term effects on humans and our surroundings. We don't know how to dispose of this stuff or make it into something useful.

So now we have industry dumping chemicals into the air, waterways, underground you name it. The corporations would rather dump waste to save money and keep profits up and there seems to be no effort to curb this. Instead, the corporate elites and politicians blame the little people for driving cars and emitting CO2.

Every time I go to McDonalds and see those stupid happy meal toys I cringe because I know damn well 99% of them wind up in a land-fill a few weeks later, not to mention they give you 5 ketchups and 10 napkins on top of it. So much pointless waste.....

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

You read my post wrong, i understand the threat is potentially real... just saying that everyone saying it is the end of the world is stupid and really reaching, in the same vein as the 2012 crap.

ur comparing the wrong things.

this bee scare is right up there with global warming...

2012 is a religious/superstitious/whatever you call it prophecy... it's not even a prophecy as it's just the end of a calender, which could simply signify the end of one era, and start of the next, more than the end of the world.. regardless, my point is the above are scientific warning signals about our environment's equilibrium is at risk vs non-scientific "it's the end of the world cus so and so wrote that it would a thousands of years ago"....