2010 NFL Regular Season Thread - Page 195 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

transplant99 · 01-05-2011, 07:38 PM

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Young is 30-17 in his five NFL seasons, but only 13-14 against teams finishing a season at .500 or better. He's also battled questions over his work ethic, leadership and injuries. He suffered a season-ending thumb injury on his right hand Nov. 21, tossed his shoulder pads into the stands and told off coach Jeff Fisher in front of the locker room before storming out.

Hard to believe there would be any question as to who you retain (Fisher or Young) when you read that statement. he has been a headcase since day 1, and shows absolutely no sign of growing out of it. Poor decisions over an extended period of time off the field are a huge red flag when comes to the QB position...a job that requires decisions to be made in seconds on the football field.

He will get another job though...NFL GM's just can't help themselves when it comes to raw talent.

Flickered Flame · 01-05-2011, 08:21 PM

Dolphins owner Steven Ross has apparently made an urgent flight from Miami to the west coast to meet with Harbaugh. They also apparently offered Gruden 7 million a year to become the hc but that was turned down.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-05-2011, 08:29 PM

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Raiders are playing this weekend? I will be watching the Chiefs play for sure as I'm curious to see how they handle playing an elite team. Chiefs fans should be happy but please don't gloat. The team has improved but it's still not that good and it's not out of the realm of possibility that they fall back to last place next year although the Broncos look like they could be pretty bad again.

Baltimore is not an elite team.

Flickered Flame · 01-05-2011, 08:31 PM

Just to update my previous post.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

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Ross was accompanied by general manager Jeff Ireland and former NFL executive Carl Peterson to make the pitch to Harbaugh to replace Tony Sparano as the team's head coach, the sources said. Ross is willing to make Harbaugh the highest-paid coach in the NFL, which would place his salary in the $7-to-$8-million range, the sources said, after receiving a signal from the Stanford coach that he was now willing to listen seriously to the team's presentation

transplant99 · 01-05-2011, 08:53 PM

Holy crap thats a LOT of money to be throwing at a guy that has no previous NFL coaching experience.

There is no question he has done a superb job of turning Stanford around, but I dont know if i am investing THAT much into him at the pro level if i am an owner. The history of coaches making the jump from college to the pros is littered with failures...but the coaching game is so weird that way. He is definately the flavor of the day.

Pagal4321 · 01-05-2011, 09:17 PM

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Holy crap thats a LOT of money to be throwing at a guy that has no previous NFL coaching experience.

There is no question he has done a superb job of turning Stanford around, but I dont know if i am investing THAT much into him at the pro level if i am an owner. The history of coaches making the jump from college to the pros is littered with failures...but the coaching game is so weird that way. He is definately the flavor of the day.

Holy, I'm agreeing with tranny on this one.

By no means do you offer that kind of coin to a college coach making the jump to the pro ranks. If he pulls a Nick Saban or...what's his name (coached the Falcons??)...then you are stuck paying a guy a boatload of money for nothing.

Word is they went after Cowher, but he wants full control and that would mean sacrificing Ireland in the process. But to go after a coach who has proven he can win and build a winning team seems like the smarter move in my eyes.

But what do I know, that's why I'm sitting on a forum rather than making decisions like this.

Flickered Flame · 01-05-2011, 09:30 PM

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Word is they went after Cowher, but he wants full control and that would mean sacrificing Ireland in the process. But to go after a coach who has proven he can win and build a winning team seems like the smarter move in my eyes.

Based on what I have read is that they did consider making a pitch for Cowher but knew he would want complete control. It came out tonight that they offered Gruden 7 million and he turned it down.

I'm not sure about Harbaugh, I mean he has no NFL experience like Tranny said but from what I have read he is an offensive guru and that is something the Fins need.

Flickered Flame · 01-05-2011, 10:13 PM

The one thing I wish Ross would have done is just fired Sparano. Classless with all this becoming public, actually classless either way. What if Harbaugh turns him down? How does he fall back to Sparano? He will have to crawl on his hands and knees with a 1 year extension ready for Sparano if this all falls through.

IMO, he should have fired Tony and had Mike Nolan as the fallback guy.

Flickered Flame · 01-05-2011, 10:21 PM

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9ers hv hd initial discussions w/ former Denver coach Josh McDaniels in lieu of possible Harbaugh-Miami deal.

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49ers prepared to offer Harbaugh $5M per over 5 years & believed Harbaugh was ready to accept. Until Miami called

http://twitter.com/#!/timkawakami

FlamingLonghorn · 01-05-2011, 10:49 PM

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Baltimore is not an elite team.

What defines an elite team then? Baltimore has a chance to beat any team no matter who they are in my opinion.

ResAlien · 01-05-2011, 11:44 PM

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More updates:

http://twitter.com/#!/timkawakami

That boggles my mind. I can't remember the last time a college coach was successful in the NFL (no, Pete Carroll doesn't count). That's some serious coin. Doesn't make any sense to me.

PIMking · 01-06-2011, 01:48 AM

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That boggles my mind. I can't remember the last time a college coach was successful in the NFL (no, Pete Carroll doesn't count). That's some serious coin. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't know, there was a very very good coach at stanford that went on and coached the 49ers to a Dynasty... I cant remember his name.. Oh that's right Walsh.

Jimmy Johnson is another college name

transplant99 · 01-06-2011, 05:26 AM

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I don't know, there was a very very good coach at stanford that went on and coached the 49ers to a Dynasty... I cant remember his name.. Oh that's right Walsh.

Jimmy Johnson is another college name

Both true.

However in the last decade I can come up with Petrino, Saban and Spurrier just off the top of my head as colossal failures. (moreso because of unreasonable expectations as much as anything though)

For whatever reason...its a tough transition for most.

ResAlien · 01-06-2011, 06:14 AM

What tranny said. While there are always exceptions to the rule overall it seems that the jump from college to the pro level is too much for most coaches.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-06-2011, 06:15 AM

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What defines an elite team then? Baltimore has a chance to beat any team no matter who they are in my opinion.

Well, there's only 1 this year.

New England.

transplant99 · 01-06-2011, 06:32 AM

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Well, there's only 1 this year.

New England.

Cant argue with that.

That being said...I believe they will lose before getting to the SB. Just a gut feeling I guess after watching GB almost beat them at home with a 1st time starter at QB and also seeing some of the numbers put up against their defense throughout the year.

Im likely nuts to think Brady can be beat, but the belief is there all the same.

corporatejay · 01-06-2011, 08:34 AM

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What tranny said. While there are always exceptions to the rule overall it seems that the jump from college to the pro level is too much for most coaches.

While true, Harbaugh ran an NFL style offense for the equivalent of 10 seasons. This may not necessarily make him ready for the NFL but I would say better prepared.

SuperMatt18 · 01-06-2011, 08:40 AM

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Well, there's only 1 this year.

New England.

Who needed overtime to beat Baltimore, in New England.

Baltimore is the one team that seems to give Tom Brady headaches (5int's his last two games, 2 of his 4 Int's this year).

I actually think they are probably the only team that New England does not want to see in the playoffs.

burn_baby_burn · 01-06-2011, 08:43 AM

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I don't know, there was a very very good coach at stanford that went on and coached the 49ers to a Dynasty... I cant remember his name.. Oh that's right Walsh.

Thats not entirely true. Walsh was an assistant coach at Stanford and Berkley before going to the AFL with the Oakland Raiders as an assistant coach. In 1968 he was hired by Paul Brown of the expansion Cincinnati Bengals as an assistant. After eight seasons he went to the SD Chargers for a season before accepting the HC job at Stanford. He spent two season with Stanford before taking the HC job of the 49ers.

So yes he was a college head coach before he became an NFL head coach. However, he spent a lot of time as an assistant in professional football (Under one of the greatest coaches of all time no less) before he became a college head coach.

transplant99 · 01-06-2011, 08:50 AM

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Who needed overtime to beat Baltimore, in New England.

Baltimore is the one team that seems to give Tom Brady headaches (5int's his last two games, 2 of his 4 Int's this year).

I actually think they are probably the only team that New England does not want to see in the playoffs.

Not to mention that the Ravens absolutely demolished the Pats in Foxboro in last years playoffs. That team can be dangerous for sure.