OMHA Racial Slur Incident

[something]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

I have no problem with polysyllabic words, but the pretentious manner in which you post nothing of any real substance leads me to believe that you're just copying out of a textbook.

I'm sorry, I just had to address this one last thing. It was far too blatant:

Are you suggesting that textbooks have no real substance?

Think about it...

[Dion]

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by something

You are irony, personified, GTF.

Your inept manipulation of logic to "win" an internet argument is concerning as there is no incentive to do so. This demonstrates the degree of your arrogance, your ignorance. I will no longer address your premises or arguments, because, well, you just don't get it.

I truthfully believe that you cannot read between lines. You read and impose your perspective on material in such a remarkably linear, simplistic fashion that I don't even think you'll understand any of this.

I am not sure if you are educated or not, but I trust you are not in any position in this world to make decisions of any influence.

Evidently you refrain from putting thought into your posts still, after several recommendations. At this point, I concede to the following idiom:

"Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Oh, the Jacke Chiles thing made me laugh.

Once again you cannot argue the facts so that leads you to resort to insults, insults and more insults. But I'll take your advice from the idiom and stop arguing with you.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by something

I'm sorry, I just had to address this one last thing. It was far too blatant:

Are you suggesting that textbooks have no real substance?

Think about it...

No, what I'm suggesting is that copying and pasting from a textbook has no real substance. Sorry if that went over your head.

[Coach]

The real issue here is the Refs IMO. If the referee's did indeed witness it that kid should have been ejected IMMEDIATELY. No ifs, ands or buts. Its in the rulebook.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The real issue here is the Refs IMO. If the referee's did indeed witness it that kid should have been ejected IMMEDIATELY. No ifs, ands or buts. Its in the rulebook.

True. But remember the ref was likely a kid and made a mistake on the call or simply did not hear it. Mistaken call would be more likely. Hence, instead of marching his team off the ice Walsh should have dealt with it in an adult manner.

Go to the other teams coach after the game and tell him what he saw and heard. Inform the coach that he would take it to the league immediately seeking a suspension and a (written) apology from his player. End of story.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by HOZ

True. But remember the ref was likely a kid and made a mistake on the call or simply did not hear it. Mistaken call would be more likely. Hence, instead of marching his team off the ice Walsh should have dealt with it in an adult manner.

Go to the other teams coach after the game and tell him what he saw and heard. Inform the coach that he would take it to the league immediately seeking a suspension and a (written) apology from his player. End of story.

Midget is 15-18 in terms of age. Nobody under 20 years old is going to be reffing that level, and that's probably pushing it. Anyone who has been reffing long enough to be reffing a Midget game should have enough sack to kick someone out.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Those foolish rule breakers like Rosa parks not following the rules when faced with racial intolerance.

People that stand up for what is right are the real heroes people that do nothing are the real chickens.

I see this as the opposite of what Rosa Parks did. When faced with adversity, this coach chose to pack up and quit. I think that is the worst message you could possibly send. Has nothing to do with breaking the rules in my mind. The coach's actions showed the kids that when someone does something that you don't like, when you are faced with adversity, it's perfectly acceptable to give up and go home. I just don't understand why this decision seems to have the amount of support on this board that it does.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

How do you know he is not obliged to sit at the table?
Is he in a meeting, a vegas poker game, world arm wrestling competition, at the in-laws for dinner, CIA interrogation

So you are wrong it is not black and white

Completely different situation. If you are sitting at a table, would you be obliged to stay if the other person were calling you fat? How about ugly? How about if he insulted your parents or repeatedly called you stupid? What if he insulted the integrity of your spouse/significant other? Would you stay and endure that? Probably not. You'd probably get sick of hearing it and leave. Yet, would you support the coach packing up his team and leaving if one of his players had been called fat/stupid/ugly/etc. as opposed to the N-word? Probably not.

I'm your average white guy, so racist comments directed at me don't really make much of a dent. However, I can't imagine that directing the N-word to a black person could be anymore offensive than someone insulting my mother to me. For me, that's always been something that I refuse to tolerate, yet if someone insulted my mother, and the coach chose to forfeit the game, I can't imagine he would have gotten any support around here.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Completely different situation. If you are sitting at a table, would you be obliged to stay if the other person were calling you fat? How about ugly? How about if he insulted your parents or repeatedly called you stupid? What if he insulted the integrity of your spouse/significant other? Would you stay and endure that? Probably not. You'd probably get sick of hearing it and leave. Yet, would you support the coach packing up his team and leaving if one of his players had been called fat/stupid/ugly/etc. as opposed to the N-word? Probably not.

I'm your average white guy, so racist comments directed at me don't really make much of a dent. However, I can't imagine that directing the N-word to a black person could be anymore offensive than someone insulting my mother to me. For me, that's always been something that I refuse to tolerate, yet if someone insulted my mother, and the coach chose to forfeit the game, I can't imagine he would have gotten any support around here.

I think you are completly wrong on that one.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I think you are completly wrong on that one.

Why? Because saying so is racially insensitive? Think of the worst possible, non-race related insult that someone can possibly direct to you. Are you saying that that can't be as hurtful as calling a black person the N-word? Frankly, I don't see how this can be true, but the point of my argument still stands. It's unlikely that you would sit at a table while someone hurls none racist insults at you, so your comparison is a poor one.

I don't mean to direct this next part to you, but I think some white North Americans have this affliction that they suffer from where, in an attempt to convince others that they are not racist, they go to such extreme measures that defy logic and reasonableness.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I see this as the opposite of what Rosa Parks did. When faced with adversity, this coach chose to pack up and quit. I think that is the worst message you could possibly send. Has nothing to do with breaking the rules in my mind. The coach's actions showed the kids that when someone does something that you don't like, when you are faced with adversity, it's perfectly acceptable to give up and go home. I just don't understand why this decision seems to have the amount of support on this board that it does.

Have you heard of the bus boycotts cause this was the start of it. So does that mean that they decided to take their ball and go home cause they refused to ride a bus?

my original comment about Rosa parks was that we were talking about people being chicken for making statements about racial intolerance

This coaches stand drives home a point that just sticking around and finishing a game may never have. People are talking about racism perhaps the end result of his actions are bigger than the poor lesson that you felt the kids had recieved from this experience.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Why? Because saying so is racially insensitive? Think of the worst possible, non-race related insult that someone can possibly direct to you. Are you saying that that can't be as hurtful as calling a black person the N-word? Frankly, I don't see how this can be true, but the point of my argument still stands. It's unlikely that you would sit at a table while someone hurls none racist insults at you, so your comparison is a poor one.

I don't mean to direct this next part to you, but I think some white North Americans have this affliction that they suffer from where, in an attempt to convince others that they are not racist, they go to such extreme measures that defy logic and reasonableness.

No, and you show a complete misunderstanding of the N word and its history.

There is nothing that could be said to me that could be as low as the N word to a black person.

[VladtheImpaler]

The coach's decision to pull his team was way overboard - he must have just watched the CSKA-Flyers game from 1976... As pointed out by ark and some others, it just sends the wrong message - "if faced with adversity, quit". Comparing this to Rosa Parks is beyond ludicrous - protesting institutionalized, legalized racism is noble; being a drama queen because of a stupid punk in a minor league hockey game is... well, being a drama queen.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The coach's decision to pull his team was way overboard - he must have just watched the CSKA-Flyers game from 1976... As pointed out by ark and some others, it just sends the wrong message - "if faced with adversity, quit". Comparing this to Rosa Parks is beyond ludicrous - protesting institutionalized, legalized racism is noble; being a drama queen because of a stupid punk in a minor league hockey game is... well, being a drama queen.

Your opinion,

if you think stands against racism only matter when they are large and important enough then fine.
I will take the view that the big ones wouldnt exist if we choose to stand up to the small ones first.

[SeeBass]

by the way the coach's ban has been lifted

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I see this as the opposite of what Rosa Parks did. When faced with adversity, this coach chose to pack up and quit. I think that is the worst message you could possibly send. Has nothing to do with breaking the rules in my mind. The coach's actions showed the kids that when someone does something that you don't like, when you are faced with adversity, it's perfectly acceptable to give up and go home. I just don't understand why this decision seems to have the amount of support on this board that it does.

How is this the opposite of what Rosa Parks did? I wouldn't argue that it's anywhere close to equal, but the basis of the action is nearly identical. In the face of racial intolerance both actors chose to go against the norm and engage in behavior that forced the issue to be addressed. The coach's actions didn't demonstrate that you should give up and go home, they demonstrated that you should put your foot down and not tolerate such racist behavior.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Have you heard of the bus boycotts cause this was the start of it. So does that mean that they decided to take their ball and go home cause they refused to ride a bus?

my original comment about Rosa parks was that we were talking about people being chicken for making statements about racial intolerance

You seem to be confusing racism with making ignorant, insensitive comments. Saying that black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is a racist comment because you are inferring that not all races deserve equal rights. That is the very basis of racism. It is the belief that not all races are equal. Calling someone the N-word is a racially insensitive comment, and it may very well be spoken by racist person, but it is not, in itself, a racist comment. Now, I understand that most posters here who read this will strongly disagree with my last statement, and that is fine but in the interest of self preservation, let me just state that I don't use the N-word nor do I condone its use. However, the reason that I feel this way is because I think the word is insensitive and can be hurtful, not because it is a "racist word".

Now, getting back to the young hockey player that used the N-word: the reason that you can't compare this to bus boycotts is because this kid, for all we have been made aware of, did not make a comment that infringed upon the other player's rights due to his race. Furthermore, even if he had made such a comment, he was not of any authority to have been able to enforce it. Once again, you are attempting to use a comparison that does not apply here.

This coaches stand drives home a point that just sticking around and finishing a game may never have. People are talking about racism perhaps the end result of his actions are bigger than the poor lesson that you felt the kids had recieved from this experience.

Perhaps nationwide attention in this matter is not what was needed. It seems that you, along with many other posters, have already concluded that the player that used the racial slur is a racist. It seems that some people don't subscribe to the possibility that he might just have made an ignorant comment that he shouldn't have, was punished for it by the league and now realizes that he has to choose his words more carefully because he understands the weight that they carry. Somehow, I think this would have been far better handled had both teams finished the game and then had the league handled the discipline of the player afterwards without attracting this media #$%@storm.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

No, and you show a complete misunderstanding of the N word and its history.

There is nothing that could be said to me that could be as low as the N word to a black person.

And yet black people use it all the time. Funny how that is. This is a word that is supposedly so heinous that, according to you, no other insult could possibly compare, and yet black people say it to people of all races, and use it both as an endearment and an insult. I suppose you can just hide behind the "you can't possibly understand" defense, but something sure doesn't seem right to me here.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ark2

And yet black people use it all the time. Funny how that is. This is a word that is supposedly so heinous that, according to you, no other insult could possibly compare, and yet black people say it to people of all races, and use it both as an endearment and an insult. I suppose you can just hide behind the "you can't possibly understand" defense, but something sure doesn't seem right to me here.

it is their attempt to take the power out of the word.

but I agree it does seem foolish

but to be fair to say an entire race would react the same to a certain word is kinda silly on our part. Just like you wouldnt tolerate a mother comment and I wouldnt care.

of course rosa parks is not the same and that wasnt the reason of the intial comment