4 in 10 Americans Still Hold Creationist Views

[Mad Mel]

I can't understand why anyone would give a crap if someone believes in God or not. Do what you gotta do to be happy. If you're not hurting anyone else, it's no skin off my ass. You can worship a turnip for all I care.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Mad Mel

I can't understand why anyone would give a crap if someone believes in God or not. Do what you gotta do to be happy. If you're not hurting anyone else, it's no skin off my ass. You can worship a turnip for all I care.

Yeah, intolerance is and has been a big problem on all sides of the fence.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Mad Mel

I can't understand why anyone would give a crap if someone believes in God or not. Do what you gotta do to be happy. If you're not hurting anyone else, it's no skin off my ass. You can worship a turnip for all I care.

If it was that simple I would agree. The belief in god doesn't bother me as much as religion, unfortunately they go hand in hand and there is much suffering because of it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Wait a minute....

Do 40% have creationist views or do 40% believe the world was created by 'God' 10000 years ago?

Those are two VERY different viewpoints and the author throws them together like they are the same thing.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Wait a minute....

Do 40% have creationist views or do 40% believe the world was created by 'God' 10000 years ago?

Those are two VERY different viewpoints and the author throws them together like they are the same thing.

The article says that "If you're in a room of 100 people, odds are likely about 40 think God created humans about 10,000 years ago."

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

The article says that "If you're in a room of 100 people, odds are likely about 40 think God created humans about 10,000 years ago."

Yes it does.

Was that the specific question asked when they did the research or are they assuming all people with creationist viewpoints believe earth to be only 10000 years old?

[Finny61]

I quite like reading Karen Armstrong's books, she had pointed out in one of her books that actual literal belief in the Bible never surfaced until the nineteenth century, prior to that the Bible was purely allegorical and symbolic in its use of stories in the Old Testament ie: the creationist view. Some still uphold the old belief, and obviously 4 out of 10 on average don't.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

The article says that "If you're in a room of 100 people, odds are likely about 40 think God created humans about 10,000 years ago."

Odds are those 40 were dropped on their heads multiple times as a child.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes it does.

Was that the specific question asked when they did the research or are they assuming all people with creationist viewpoints believe earth to be only 10000 years old?

With all we know today about the earth and how it functions I am blown away that anyone could think the world is only 10,000 years old.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

With all we know today about the earth and how it functions I am blown away that anyone could think that it could be created by "god"

Revised. This is how I think.

[Clarkey]

I always get a kick out of Cheesy. I'm more of the agnostic/athiest leanings myself, so I'm not insulted by his anti-religion salvos. I do get annoyed when he makes posts on religion because I don't find any original debate or logic in them. It's akin to me posting quantum physics posts every week or 2 trying to freeload off Stephen Hawking's knowledge even though I don't really know much about the subject or have anything intelligible to add.

[Reggie Dunlop]

More religious bashing, please.

[MrMastodonFarm]

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[West Karma]

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[evman150]

Originally Posted by algernon

Serious question, Cheese.

Have you been personally wronged by Christians at some point, or do you dislike the general idea of religion?
I ask, because my Grandparents were missionaries in the 50's up in Northern Alberta and were/are the salt of the Earth.
I've heard countless stories of Grandpa bringing homeless people home for dinner, or pulling over and giving someone a sweater or coat in the middle of the winter, with no expectation of anything in return.
I realize that many people have been harmed by zealots over the course of humanity, but not all religious people are misguided sheep.

Didn't read the whole thread, but it is likely your grandparents were good people independent of religion, not in any way because of it.

If they were only good people because of it, they are in fact terrible people, but I seriously doubt this is the case.

[Mad Mel]

Originally Posted by West Karma

I take it you or no one you know has ever been affected by "the worship of a God" - Your lucky cause many of us have!!

Uh, yes... many people.

[Doctordestiny]

Originally Posted by West Karma

I take it you or no one you know has ever been affected by "the worship of a God" - Your lucky cause many of us have!!

How?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Polls like this just convince me that most of our academics and intellectuals have brains full of putty and mashed potatoes.

Except for the ones you've taken courses from, right?

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by peter12

The essence of truth exists outside of anything else. This is what the atheist crusaders understand less than anyone.

Bah. Sounds like a bunch of Heidegger would natter on about. Truth exists within each of us. Truth, like faith, is subjective and personal. Our up bringing and cultural norm frames our perspective on truth. That is why organized religion has an edge over atheism in arguing they have the market cornered on truth. Organized religion has millions of indoctrination centers and agents out there drilling its message into the heads of young children, giving them an idea of what truth is. At least truth as set by the religion's leaders and writings. Truth for the religious set is discovered through epistemic closure. Atheism is very different and behind the game in this regard. Truth is and only found through education and exposure to more information. Truth is found only when we challenge our preconceptions and challenge that which is inside us, because we each define our own truth and we are the only ones that can change that definition.

I've said about two hundred times that I don't believe in God. Democracy is a very poor measure for such questions though.

And what is a good measure? Listening to the likes of yourself proclaim how much smarter you are than the rest of humanity because you read what a bunch of other self proclaimed thinkers had to say on the subject and repeat what they said without applying any critical thought to what they said in the first place? Philosophy students are always good for a chuckle. They work so hard to study what Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant, Hegel, Marx or Kierkegaard had to say about the questions of meaning, but they seldom add any of their own original thought to the argument. So great thinker, what is the best way to answer such questions?

[Stimpy]

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