12-15-2010, 04:25 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Ted Yoshida is the man, I threw my back out about 17 years ago. Couldn't sit, couldn't bend I barely could move. So I went to a chiropracter by my house and she took X-rays and what not and then started her treatment. I went everyday for a few weeks and all it did was get worse. Went to Dr. Yoshida and within a week or two (maybe 3-4 visits) I was good as new. I haven't been back since and never have had a sore back since. I sent my wife to him a few years ago, and he managed to fix her back too. He will do what he needs to and that is it, no multiple visits unless it is needed.
http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-rating...algary-AB.html
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12-15-2010, 04:28 PM
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#42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty
And I don't know why people think chiropractors have a PHD, it's 4 years of schooling on top of an undergrad degree. 8 years /=/ doctor.
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Neither do physicians (have PhD.'s).
They'll have 4 years of schooling on top of an undergrad degree in science. It is extremely rare for a GP to have a PhD.
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12-15-2010, 04:38 PM
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#43
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What I hate about Chiro's is they call themselves doctors all the time. PH'ds don't, most dentist's don't either.
Chiro's are usually quacks or people too dumb to get a real MD, so they take the quack route to being a "DR".
Evidence #1
THe head cheerleader for the "Oiler Octane" Cheerleaders/horses is a "Dr" of "Chirolunacy"
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12-15-2010, 04:39 PM
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#44
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gordo67
Ted Yoshida is the man, I threw my back out about 17 years ago. Couldn't sit, couldn't bend I barely could move. So I went to a chiropracter by my house and she took X-rays and what not and then started her treatment. I went everyday for a few weeks and all it did was get worse. Went to Dr. Yoshida and within a week or two (maybe 3-4 visits) I was good as new. I haven't been back since and never have had a sore back since. I sent my wife to him a few years ago, and he managed to fix her back too. He will do what he needs to and that is it, no multiple visits unless it is needed.
http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-rating...algary-AB.html
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I'm glad you are feeling better. Anecdotal medical evidence has many limitations however:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=33
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12-15-2010, 04:44 PM
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#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by amorak
What I hate about Chiro's is they call themselves doctors all the time.
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I'd throw optometrists into that category as well. I'm going to call the person who gives me a prescription for glasses, doctor? I think not.
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12-15-2010, 04:44 PM
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#46
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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12-21-2010, 01:29 PM
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#47
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by YYC in LAX
The word "Doctor" and "Chiropractor" shouldn't be used in the same sentance.
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In Latin the word doctor simply means teacher. When was the last time your MD taught you anything about health?
That's right. I forgot. They have all the answers. Wonder why the health care system is collapsing. Hmm. Maybe too many healthy people in it?
How about this theory. The health care system is near collapse because MD's don't get sick people healthy.
Sure they can sometimes save your life after a critical injury. Sometimes. But that is not the same thing, now is it!
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12-21-2010, 01:32 PM
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#48
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Troutman, how many medical treatments including drugs could survive RDBCT's? ( Randomized double blind controlled trials )
How many?
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12-21-2010, 01:43 PM
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#49
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch
Troutman, how many medical treatments including drugs could survive RDBCT's? ( Randomized double blind controlled trials )
How many?

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We should not endorse any treatments that don't survive RDBCTs.
I recommend again Snake Oil Science, which contains an excellent description of how proper medical research should be done.
http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/bausell.html
Many members of the CAM research community and the general public, as well as many members of the press, don't understand the importance of double-blind, randomized clinical trials that employ placebo groups and have low attrition rates. (Some studies present a false sense of success only because they don't mention that, for example, 60% of those getting acupuncture to cure their heroin addiction, dropped out of the study before it was completed. Guess who dropped out and who stayed in the study, and guess what that can make the data look like if the attrition rate isn't mentioned.) Many people don't appreciate the importance of having a large number of participants in a clinical trial (at least 25 should be in each group, according to Bausell). Many also think there's no difference between peer reviewed journals. They rank a study in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, the Journal of Noetic Sciences, or the Journal of the Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine as high as they would an article in Lancet, the Journal of the American Medical Association or the New England Journal of Medicine. According to Bausell, many CAM practitioners or researchers, as well as many of their clients, think biased personal experience trumps an unbiased scientific study. Bausell makes it clear, however, that bias is a problem for all medical researchers and isn't restricted to just CAM researchers.
The scientific evidence strongly indicates that most of the relief from CAM and a good deal of the relief from scientific medicine, is coming from the placebo effect. Bausell focuses on CAM but we should not forget that much of what he says will apply equally well to scientific medical research as well.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=4
So how can we decide which studies are credible? We now have published guidelines such as the 22 item Consolidated Standards of Reporting Trials (CONSORT) checklist to assess the quality of randomized controlled trials, but Bausell offers some simpler criteria that can rule out the worst offenders:- Subjects are randomly assigned to a CAM therapy or a credible placebo
- At least 50 subjects per group
- Less than 25% dropout rate
- Publication in a high-quality, prestigious, peer-reviewed journal
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12-21-2010, 01:44 PM
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by troutman
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=4&paged=2
I spent 43 years in private practice as a “science-based” chiropractor and a critic of the chiropractic vertebral subluxation theory. I am often asked how I justified practicing as a chiropractor while renouncing the basic tenets of chiropractic. My answer has always been: I was able to offer manipulation in combination with physical therapy modalities as a treatment for mechanical-type back pain—a service that was not readily available in physiotherapy or in any other sub-specialty of medicine.
If I had it to do over again, however, I would study physical therapy rather than chiropractic. Considering the controversy that continues to surround the practice of chiropractic, I would not recommend that anyone spend the time, effort, and money required to earn a degree in chiropractic. Physical therapy, which is now beginning to include spinal manipulation in its treatment armamentarium, may offer better opportunity for those interested in manual therapy. Properly-limited, science-based chiropractors are now essentially competing with physical therapists who use manual therapy. Unfortunately, only a few chiropractors have renounced the vertebral subluxation theory, making it difficult to find a “good chiropractor.”
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Physical Terrorists. LMAO.
From the diary of a Physical Terrorist,
"Come back 15 times and let me watch you lift that weight. 1, 2, 3, 4, ......... . Good. Now I'll put some ice on it. Oh wait. Forgot the ultrasound. Easy to do since it's under that mountain of scientific paperwork. Now let's put on the IFC. Man this is hard work. Did you know that the Russian Olympic team in the 60's used IFC to grow muscle? Ha hah haha. You look bigger already. Now finally the ice. Whew. I'm going to be so worn out, I don't know how I'm ever going to pass the course on spinal manipualtion that chiropractor down the street is teaching.
Those guys are busy though.
Haha hahaha hahaa. Probably doesn't work. They are just really good scammers or their patients are dumb.
Funny though, my patients seemed smart enough. Wonder why they went over to see him?"
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12-21-2010, 01:45 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary,AB
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Can we seriously not turn this thread into an argument like every other thread on this site? The Original poster asked for recommendations on a Chiropractor.
I have been using Dr. Ross in Coventry hills for past couple of years, see him maybe once every couple months, helps my neck with headaches I get.
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12-21-2010, 01:46 PM
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by troutman
We should not endorse any treatments that don't survive RDBCTs.
I recommend again Snake Oil Science, which contains an excellent description of how proper medical research should be done.
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Guess you really don't like medicine either than,  eh?
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12-21-2010, 01:50 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch
Guess you really don't like medicine either than,  eh?
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Thanks for joining the forum. Dr. Quacky McChiro. Actually, you're not a real doctor.
Does your fantastic rebuttle to a great post by the Trout above indicates the future quality of rebutteles we can expect from you?
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12-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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#54
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Calgary
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Dr. Jeffrey Schacter
After a month of agony, I went to Dr. Schacter and he fixed my back in about 5 minutes.
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12-21-2010, 01:59 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Interesting Lecture Series:
Medical Myths, Lies, and Half-Truths: What We Think We Know May Be Hurting Us
Taught By Professor Steven Novella, M.D., Georgetown University,
Yale School of Medicine
http://www.teach12.com/tgc/courses/c....aspx?cid=1924
Dr. Novella's 24 revealing lectures are an empowering learning experience that will give you evidence-based guidelines for good health, will enhance your ability to be better informed about common medical myths, and will strengthen your skills at assessing the scientific truth behind medical information and advice—whether you're having an important conversation with your doctor or taking a trip down the medicine aisle of your local pharmacy.
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12-21-2010, 02:06 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easter back on in Vancouver
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How can anyone say physiotherapy is a lie?
So the constant pain I had in my wrists magically and coincidentally dissapeared after seeing my chiropractor?
Sure some of them try to book extra appointments, but really which doctor doesn't?
And to call them stupid and dumb is an insult to all chiropractors.
Anyways Buzzard a good chiropractor that I see is named Ken Cook and his number is 403-272-2351 and he is located in good ol' Forest Lawn. He is a really good guy as well and not stupid and dumb like some people will try to make you believe.
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12-21-2010, 02:11 PM
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#57
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by amorak
Thanks for joining the forum. Dr. Quacky McChiro. Actually, you're not a real doctor.
Does your fantastic rebuttle to a great post by the Trout above indicates the future quality of rebutteles we can expect from you?
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Mr. Amorak,
Have you come into a nice healthy debate unarmed?
How are those ultrasound crystals holding up for you?
Mr. Troutman and I were discussing the elimination of every treatment and drug used that didn't have a RDBCT to support it, and how by doing so, we could save the public from those who would subject them to such untested treatment. Where would the public turn than without medicine, chiro, physio, massage?
Mr. Amorak, do you have the answers that we seek?
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12-21-2010, 02:12 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck
How can anyone say physiotherapy is a lie?
So the constant pain I had in my wrists magically and coincidentally dissapeared after seeing my chiropractor?
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Physiotherapy and Chiropractic Care are two SEPERATE things. I dare you to walk up to a physiotherapist and tell them they are the same as a Chiro and not get punched in the face.
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12-21-2010, 02:20 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bane
Dr. Jeffrey Schacter
After a month of agony, I went to Dr. Schacter and he fixed my back in about 5 minutes.
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I went to this guy, my first assesment he showed me how bad my posture was and how stiff I was. Next time I came in, he said I looked great and my posture was fantastic. Just had to keep coming in once a week to keep up the "results"
Its a smoosh-job that prays on the gullible. I'll take physio any day of the week.
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12-21-2010, 02:22 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easter back on in Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drury18
Physiotherapy and Chiropractic Care are two SEPERATE things. I dare you to walk up to a physiotherapist and tell them they are the same as a Chiro and not get punched in the face.
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Ok, you're right. Guess I was confused because the name of his business is Forest Lawn physiotherapy, but he used some chiropractic practices on my wrist.
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