12-15-2010, 11:11 AM
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Go see someone that practices Active Release (ART). It is soft tissue work that is like a short, intense therapeutic massage session. There are lots of chiropractors and physiotherapists that use this technique.
I'd disagree with the poster who said that modern chiros are all about weekly repeat visits. Lots of them utilize different techniques other than the standard spinal manipulation procedure.
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12-15-2010, 11:27 AM
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#22
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by troutman
There really is no argument when you look at the scientific evidence.
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I find it stunning that you as a lawyer so readily discount the actual evidence that exists on this topic.
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12-15-2010, 11:30 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
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Originally Posted by Titan
I find it stunning that you as a lawyer so readily discount the actual evidence that exists on this topic.
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=4&paged=2
The General Chiropractic Council, a UK-wide statutory body with regulatory powers, has just published a new position statement on the chiropractic subluxation complex:The chiropractic vertebral subluxation complex is an historical concept but it remains a theoretical model. It is not supported by any clinical research evidence that would allow claims to be made that it is the cause of disease or health concerns.
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12-15-2010, 11:32 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=4&paged=2
I spent 43 years in private practice as a “science-based” chiropractor and a critic of the chiropractic vertebral subluxation theory. I am often asked how I justified practicing as a chiropractor while renouncing the basic tenets of chiropractic. My answer has always been: I was able to offer manipulation in combination with physical therapy modalities as a treatment for mechanical-type back pain—a service that was not readily available in physiotherapy or in any other sub-specialty of medicine.
If I had it to do over again, however, I would study physical therapy rather than chiropractic. Considering the controversy that continues to surround the practice of chiropractic, I would not recommend that anyone spend the time, effort, and money required to earn a degree in chiropractic. Physical therapy, which is now beginning to include spinal manipulation in its treatment armamentarium, may offer better opportunity for those interested in manual therapy. Properly-limited, science-based chiropractors are now essentially competing with physical therapists who use manual therapy. Unfortunately, only a few chiropractors have renounced the vertebral subluxation theory, making it difficult to find a “good chiropractor.”
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12-15-2010, 11:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
There really is no argument when you look at the scientific evidence.
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And medical researchers have no agendas? Their research proposals/projects are completely transparent?
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12-15-2010, 11:34 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=4&paged=2
An article written by 3 chiropractors and a PhD in physical education and published on December 2, 2009 in the journal Chiropractic and Osteopathy may have sounded the death knell for chiropractic.
What’s the evidence? In the 114 years since chiropractic began, the existence of chiropractic subluxations has never been objectively demonstrated. They have never been shown to cause interference with the nervous system. They have never been shown to cause disease. Critics of chiropractic have been pointing this out for decades, but now chiropractors themselves have come to the same conclusion
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12-15-2010, 11:41 AM
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This is the part of the article that I love the most:
"The authors declare that they have no competing interests."
That would be a first.
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12-15-2010, 12:01 PM
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Draft Pick
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The best chiro in town. Dr Ryan Carter. He is in the West Hills Town Centre. I go see him when I am in Calgary.
For all those nay sayers. If it works, do it and if doesn't work for you find something else. Chiros have been adjusting/manipulating the spine for over a hundred years. Why do you think physios and med doctors are learning it now? Because it works!
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12-15-2010, 12:04 PM
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by NBC
I'd disagree with the poster who said that modern chiros are all about weekly repeat visits. Lots of them utilize different techniques other than the standard spinal manipulation procedure.
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I've had a chiropractor try to get me to come for a whole bunch of visits, just to get a little kink out of my back. It was a total scam. He had me stand there and do this and do that, raise my arm, move my knee, and did this big stupid "assessment", and then told me that my posture was wrong and I needed to do a bunch of visits to correct all this stuff, and that afterward, the kink would be gone. ##### that. I just needed the guy to crack my back. 5 years later, I go to the chiro maybe twice a year, and I'm just fine.
There are chiros out there that are actually feeding this garbage to people that are perfectly fine.
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12-15-2010, 12:25 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
he always wants me back to "finish" the treatment, although I never really get any relief.
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Think about that.
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Am I the only one who's first thought was that this was a happy ending joke?
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12-15-2010, 12:37 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by shermanator
Dr. Don Findlay - Located in the strip mall across from Winston Churchill high school.
No website, but my family has been going to him for 30 years...
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Don is very good too, and his Son's are good too. There in the south at elbow and Southland (Daniel and Donald Findlay). That is where I go.
One plus is they are not the fluffy 'life energy' type chiropractors that give the whole industry a bad name
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12-15-2010, 12:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X4
I've had a chiropractor try to get me to come for a whole bunch of visits, just to get a little kink out of my back. It was a total scam. He had me stand there and do this and do that, raise my arm, move my knee, and did this big stupid "assessment", and then told me that my posture was wrong and I needed to do a bunch of visits to correct all this stuff, and that afterward, the kink would be gone. ##### that. I just needed the guy to crack my back. 5 years later, I go to the chiro maybe twice a year, and I'm just fine.
There are chiros out there that are actually feeding this garbage to people that are perfectly fine.
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Glad you didn't buy it. That is the best way of weeding out money-makers from decent practitioners. If they want you to commit to 3x/week for 3 months, run away and fast.
Whenever I'm in YYC, I visit my chiro, who happens to be a family friend. He does ART and if I need it a spinal manipulation. I'm a big fan of soft tissue work. Most of my issues tended to be with muscles and fascia and not the spine/neck.
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12-15-2010, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NBC
Go see someone that practices Active Release (ART). It is soft tissue work that is like a short, intense therapeutic massage session. There are lots of chiropractors and physiotherapists that use this technique.
I'd disagree with the poster who said that modern chiros are all about weekly repeat visits. Lots of them utilize different techniques other than the standard spinal manipulation procedure.
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Glen Hawkins does this...
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12-15-2010, 12:48 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2003
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troutman
You are often referring to the claim of Chiropractors helping cure illnesses, and prevent nervous system problems. Which is fine, I believe you they don't do that! And I don't trust any chiropractor or anybody for that matter that is using bad science and making claims. But what most people here are talking about is pain and discomfort. And Chiropractors can relieve back pain and other areas of the body too (I've had my shoulder fixed and ART after a leg injury too where I had minimal range of motion in my quad). And even in your webpages you linked us too it say Chiropractors are good for quick relief of pain that can be caused by misalignments
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12-15-2010, 12:52 PM
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Farm Team Player
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Dr LeDrew at Full Potential on 17th Ave up in the strip mall just before Sarcee is awesome. Totally recommend a visit to his place. All sorts of treatments and he's a great guy. Google 'full potential' for his website.
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12-15-2010, 01:40 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by NBC
I'd disagree with the poster who said that modern chiros are all about weekly repeat visits. Lots of them utilize different techniques other than the standard spinal manipulation procedure.
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Chiropractors are now modifying all their procedures and ideologies to do what Physiotherapists have been doing for many years.
They're still not even close.
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12-15-2010, 01:48 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Chiros are jokes and not real doctors.
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12-15-2010, 01:51 PM
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by amorak
Chiros are jokes and not real doctors.
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I wouldn't go that far. I don't really care about the title debate, but they're not jokes. A good chiro gets a bad kink out of your back and gets you back to what you should be doing.
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12-15-2010, 03:32 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 4X4
I wouldn't go that far. I don't really care about the title debate, but they're not jokes. A good chiro gets a bad kink out of your back and gets you back to what you should be doing.
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There's a reason that kink in your back keeps returning. It isn't fixed, merely dealt with and put aside for when it arises again.
And I don't know why people think chiropractors have a PHD, it's 4 years of schooling on top of an undergrad degree. 8 years /=/ doctor.
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12-15-2010, 03:35 PM
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Franchise Player
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Dr Rob Weaver knows ART just like Bo knows football.....
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