2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[transplant99]

Lots of speculation that the Broncos will go after their former AC Troy Calhoun as their next HC.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think some need to accept the fact that the Jets are a really really good team...and i am no fan, believe me.

They can run the ball, pass the ball and play unreal defense at times. Nothing there not to commend them for.

If the Jets are "really really good" what does that make the Patirots? The Jets were an over rated team that benefited from an easy schedule and hopefully after last nights embarassment the hype machine can take a break...

Edit: Not trying to pick on you, I just went back a week in this thread and your post jumped out at me.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

I'd take the QB with the most 4th quarter comebacks ever, Dan Marino. Best QB of all time.

I will never understand the fascination with this statistic.

All it means is that the QB in question didnt have his team in the lead to begin with, therefore it wouldn't be a "telling" stat on who is better than who.

Seriously, are we really going to say that QB X was better than QB Y, when QB Y had his team ahead the whole time? It seems that is what that comes down to.

Guys like Young, Montana, Bradshaw and even Manning never got as many chances to "come from behind", because they had their teams well ahead to begin the 4th Q. Something, I would think, is a much better way to judge a QB on since a football game isnt one quarter long, its 4.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by kevman

If the Jets are "really really good" what does that make the Patirots? The Jets were an over rated team that benefited from an easy schedule and hopefully after last nights embarassment the hype machine can take a break...

Edit: Not trying to pick on you, I just went back a week in this thread and your post jumped out at me.

One game and everything changes? I guess the Patriots are overrated as well because they lost to the Cleveland Browns AND The Jets...right?

Again, I am no fan of the Jets, believe me. And I agree they were very much over-hyped, but I also understand that teams in the NFL dont get to 9-2 by accident. They are still a very good team who maybe got exposed a little last night, but they are a lock for the playoffs and also did beat the Pats once themselves. I am not implying they are the best in the AFC, because they arent. In fact i have 3 teams as better than them, but that doesnt mean they arent very good in their own right.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Mike Smith disagrees.

Bill is the best coach in the NFL. Every year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by troutman

Bill is the best coach in the NFL. Every year.

Best cheater as well. I respect that he's a good coach but he's one of those guys that will break the rules to gain an advantage.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Best cheater as well. I respect that he's a good coach but he's one of those guys that will break the rules to gain an advantage.

How has he cheated this year?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Holy crap:

Bombshell RT @Denver_Broncos: Broncos Owner Pat Bowlen has relieved Josh McDaniels of his head coaching duties.

Did not see this coming.

Frick. Why oh why are they over reacting. It will take a while before they fix the garbage that was Mike Shanahan football. Not a good move IMO.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

I dont understand the love for Mike Shanahan, to me he is the NFL's Glen Sather, he is living off OLD glory... yet people say, Denver should bring him back. seems like wherever this guy goes, his defence is worst in the league.... i dont blame the Broncos for getting rid of Hoodie Jr., as his personnal moves were awful but Shanahan?? cmon

He got lucky, he took over a good team and got really lucky in drafting TD with a low draft pick.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

He got lucky, he took over a good team and got really lucky in drafting TD with a low draft pick.

that is true, drafting TD was the missing piece to the puzzle...

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I will never understand the fascination with this statistic.

All it means is that the QB in question didnt have his team in the lead to begin with, therefore it wouldn't be a "telling" stat on who is better than who.

Seriously, are we really going to say that QB X was better than QB Y, when QB Y had his team ahead the whole time? It seems that is what that comes down to.

Guys like Young, Montana, Bradshaw and even Manning never got as many chances to "come from behind", because they had their teams well ahead to begin the 4th Q. Something, I would think, is a much better way to judge a QB on since a football game isnt one quarter long, its 4.

I agree, I just like rattling the cages of Favre/Elway fans. They seem to be the primary proponents.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Best cheater as well. I respect that he's a good coach but he's one of those guys that will break the rules to gain an advantage.

LOL! Is that the best you've got?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I will never understand the fascination with this statistic.

All it means is that the QB in question didnt have his team in the lead to begin with, therefore it wouldn't be a "telling" stat on who is better than who.

Seriously, are we really going to say that QB X was better than QB Y, when QB Y had his team ahead the whole time? It seems that is what that comes down to.

Guys like Young, Montana, Bradshaw and even Manning never got as many chances to "come from behind", because they had their teams well ahead to begin the 4th Q. Something, I would think, is a much better way to judge a QB on since a football game isnt one quarter long, its 4.

NO, that's not all it means.

I don't recall Elway having too many 4th quarter comebacks in the last few years of his career. The bulk of those came in the years when he had absolutely no weapons.

Put Montana or Manning on those teams. Would they have had the success that they had with Elway? I have serious doubts. Of course, we have no way to know.

People can punish Elway for his mediocre stats all they want to. They will assume those are a function of his suck, when in fact they are a function of a severe lack of a supporting cast.

Like I said, pick your QB when your team HAS to have a score. Mine's Elway, every time, and his play during his career supports my stance very, very well.

Unfortunately for Elway, he didn't get the opportunity to play with hall of fame players at every position like Montana and Manning have. If he had, maybe he wouldn't have any 4th quarter comebacks and a few more Super Bowl rings.

Why can it be used as a negative but can't be used as a positive?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

NO, that's not all it means.

I don't recall Elway having too many 4th quarter comebacks in the last few years of his career. The bulk of those came in the years when he had absolutely no weapons.

Put Montana or Manning on those teams. Would they have had the success that they had with Elway? I have serious doubts. Of course, we have no way to know.

People can punish Elway for his mediocre stats all they want to. They will assume those are a function of his suck, when in fact they are a function of a severe lack of a supporting cast.

Like I said, pick your QB when your team HAS to have a score. Mine's Elway, every time, and his play during his career supports my stance very, very well.

Unfortunately for Elway, he didn't get the opportunity to play with hall of fame players at every position like Montana and Manning have. If he had, maybe he wouldn't have any 4th quarter comebacks and a few more Super Bowl rings.

Why can it be used as a negative but can't be used as a positive?

Agreed. I also believe there's a correlation between being "clutch" and the amount of rings these guys have.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Agreed. I also believe there's a correlation between being "clutch" and the amount of rings these guys have.

True, but then I take Brady over Elway on that basis (along with many others) 3-2.

These debates are interesting now, but I honestly believe we are fortunate enough to be watching eventually two of the top 3 QBs of all time playing at the same time in Brady and Manning. Manning will eclipse all of Favre and Marino's records while Brady will be the sorta Joe Montana greatest ever type QB - Great stats, lots of championships and clutch.

[Sylvanfan]

Well as we get into the final quarter of the season there are a few games with playoff implications this week.

Indianapolis at Tennessee
The Titans have gone into the tank and appear to be pretty dysfunctional right now. But will they roll over and let the Colts come into their stadium and give them a free win? The Colts are banged up and have to go on the road in a short week and can't afford another loss.

Oakland at Jacksonville
Believe it or not the Raiders are very much alive for the AFC West. In fact if they win out, and Kansas City loses one of it's other remaining games than the Raiders will win the Division. Jacksonville pretty much needs this win to stay a game ahead of Indy.

Kansas City at San Diego
The Chiefs can't clinch the AFC West with a win, but they would essentially eliminate the Chargers from the playoffs if they do. Even if the Chiefs can't win this one they still win the Division if they win all their other games. But it's the Chiefs, and I can see them stumbling to an 0-4 finish.

Atlanta and Green Bay go on the road to play the Panthers and Lions who have 1 and 2 wins respectively. Although I think Atlanta is pretty much a gimme, the Lions will at least make the Packers work for a win.

Philly at Dallas
The Cowboys look alive under Jason Garret but I still think they'll have trouble stopping Michael Vick, and their offence won't be able to pile up enough points against the Eagles.

Giants at Minny
The other NFC East contender goes to play the other big NFC disappointment this week. The Vikings seem to be much more cohesive under Leslie Frazier, and the Giants are still a bit banged up.

St.Louis at New Orleans
We could see this matchup again in the playoffs except reversed venues. Saints have won 5 in a row although lately they haven't been easy. They should be able to beat the Rams at home although the plucky Rams might keep it closer than you think.

New England at Chicago
The Pats go on the road with a short week to play the Bears who themselves are pretty hot right now. This might actually be a pretty good game with the Bears defence playing at a pretty high level. A win for the Bears would pretty much cement them as a NFC playoff team.

Seattle at San Fran
A win by the Seahawks would officially kill off the 49'ers who are going back to Alex Smith at QB.

Steelers get to beat on the Bengals at home, they have a pretty good shot to win out and finish 13-3.

The Jets and Ravens can pretty much put themselves in the playoffs with wins over Miami and Houston. The Jets were horrid yesterday, but they seem to be a team who gets really out of sync when they have too much time off between games. I think they'll bounce back. Houston will be rested at home against the Ravens who played a mean and nasty game on Sunday night. But that Texans pass defence is so bad that Flacco and Boldin will get the Ravens a win.

[rubecube]

Haynesworth suspended without pay for the rest of the year by the Redskins.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5895357

Chalk another bust up for Dan Snyder.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

True, but then I take Brady over Elway on that basis (along with many others) 3-2.

These debates are interesting now, but I honestly believe we are fortunate enough to be watching eventually two of the top 3 QBs of all time playing at the same time in Brady and Manning. Manning will eclipse all of Favre and Marino's records while Brady will be the sorta Joe Montana greatest ever type QB - Great stats, lots of championships and clutch.

I agree. I think Dis would probably admit that being a Broncos homer probably plays into him picking Elway. My top two are Montana and Brady. If Brady gets another ring, then he has to be number one.

It's funny, I'd put Manning as #2 on my active QBs list, but using the 4th quarter, game-winning drive criteria, he's probably #4 for me behind Brady, Brees, and Big Ben.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree. I think Dis would probably admit that being a Broncos homer probably plays into him picking Elway. My top two are Montana and Brady. If Brady gets another ring, then he has to be number one.

It's funny, I'd put Manning as #2 on my active QBs list, but using the 4th quarter, game-winning drive criteria, he's probably #4 for me behind Brady, Brees, and Big Ben.

It's not like I've got the guy as my avatar or something!

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Frick. Why oh why are they over reacting. It will take a while before they fix the garbage that was Mike Shanahan football. Not a good move IMO.

I believe they took to long.

Spygate II was probably the final straw for Bolen, but to me, giving up a 2, 3 and a 4 for a QB they need to re-teach how to throw is the 2nd worst personnel move in the history of football. (a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 for Ricky Williams is the worst). You build championship teams with those 2's 3's and 4's, and he throws them away for a QB who by most accounts will not be a starting qb in this league. Giving up Hillis is a popular complaint in the media, and was a bad move, but those happen. Trading up for a bad QB is unforgivable.

He chased Cutler and Marshall away and really as far as talent goes, has very little of it and the next year or two looks worse.

I agree that Shanahan's time was up, and was overrated. The second his Oline coach moved to Atlanta his team gradually went downhill. I believe that coach and his (at that time) revolutionary blocking scheme was the reason TDavis had that cutback lane, and a huge reason they won two SB's. But nonetheless Josh was wrecking that team at a rapid pace and something needed to be done.

edit: well maybe trading for HWalker is in the top 2 worst personnel moves