12-05-2010, 12:28 PM
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#61
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I think to many people are assuming that people that change their Facebook profile pic think they are doing the world a huge justice or something.
You guys are using hyperbole like no other. You guys actually think I'm patting myself on the back like I just saved a kid from getting abused? It's mostly a fun thing to take part of and it can't hurt so what's the problem?
I bet the same people complaining are the same people who put a pink ribbon sticker on their cars.
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12-05-2010, 12:29 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Except we're not talking about the campaigns themselves or the people who donate. I'm talking about the mentality of someone being content with putting up a cartoon and then ignoring the issue for the rest of the year, while still claiming to be of help to the situation. The whole basic idea of facebook activism is that it absolves the person who posts a picture of actually doing anything tangible because they believe they've already done something by "raising awareness."
The fact that none of these status updates include any links to donate or facts regarding ways for kids to get support, report incidents, etc. speaks even louder to how disingenuous the whole thing is.
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So you want me to commit 365 days a year to campaigning about child abuse? That really makes sense.
A couple days a year is still better than your 0 days a year.
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12-05-2010, 12:31 PM
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#63
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by puckluck
So you want me to commit 365 days a year to campaigning about child abuse? That really makes sense.
A couple days a year is still better than your 0 days a year.
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But you're not effectively doing anything right now anyways. You're just speaking quaint platitudes. If you're passionate about something, volunteer for an organization for even just a 100 days of the year. Actually get involved. Don't have Champ Bear as your avatar. Actually do something. Slacktivism is all about giving yourself fellatio.
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12-05-2010, 12:34 PM
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#64
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by puckluck
So you want me to commit 365 days a year to campaigning about child abuse? That really makes sense.
A couple days a year is still better than your 0 days a year.
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LOL. You really want to get into my activist/charitable credentials?
Look, I don't care how much time you put into it, but don't try to act like solving this problem is a priority to you when the most effort you're willing to spend on the topic is changing your facebook page. And by "you," I'm not don't mean you personally.
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12-05-2010, 12:38 PM
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#65
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
But you're not effectively doing anything right now anyways. You're just speaking quaint platitudes. If you're passionate about something, volunteer for an organization for even just a 100 days of the year. Actually get involved. Don't have Champ Bear as your avatar. Actually do something. Slacktivism is all about giving yourself fellatio.
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And neither are you.
The difference is the thing I'm taking part in can maybe help just ONE kid and it will still be 100% more than you are doing.
I do agree that 99% of people that do this couldn't care less about the cause, but what harm is it doing? I'm not passionate about child abuse so I'm not going to volunteer.
Again with the fellatio talk. Do you honestly believe I think I have made a huge difference or something? Changing my pic didn't do diddly squat, but the idea of the campaign has even if it helped one kid out.
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12-05-2010, 12:42 PM
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#66
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by puckluck
And neither are you.
The difference is the thing I'm taking part in can maybe help just ONE kid and it will still be 100% more than you are doing.
I do agree that 99% of people that do this couldn't care less about the cause, but what harm is it doing? I'm not passionate about child abuse so I'm not going to volunteer.
Again with the fellatio talk. Do you honestly believe I think I have made a huge difference or something? Changing my pic didn't do diddly squat, but the idea of the campaign has even if it helped one kid out.
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Now you're just rehashing HOOT's arguments.
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12-05-2010, 12:43 PM
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#67
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Originally Posted by rubecube
LOL. You really want to get into my activist/charitable credentials?
Look, I don't care how much time you put into it, but don't try to act like solving this problem is a priority to you when the most effort you're willing to spend on the topic is changing your facebook page. And by "you," I'm not don't mean you personally.
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But how was I acting like it's a priority? Because I copied and pasted a picture I now think child abuse is a priority on my "things to solve in the world" list?
That's where you guys are confused once again. This is mostly just a fun campaign, and you guys are obviously taking it too seriously.
The fact that people in this thread have donated means it has been a successful campaign.
And when I said "better than your 0 days" I was also just talking in general.
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12-05-2010, 12:44 PM
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#68
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
Now you're just rehashing HOOT's arguments.
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So you agree?
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12-05-2010, 12:50 PM
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#69
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by puckluck
And neither are you.
The difference is the thing I'm taking part in can maybe help just ONE kid and it will still be 100% more than you are doing.
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That's a pretty bold statement considering you're talking to a person who works with kids everyday.
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I do agree that 99% of people that do this couldn't care less about the cause, but what harm is it doing? I'm not passionate about child abuse so I'm not going to volunteer.
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It's insincerity in it's most pure form, and it actually trivializes the cause.
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Again with the fellatio talk. Do you honestly believe I think I have made a huge difference or something? Changing my pic didn't do diddly squat, but the idea of the campaign has even if it helped one kid out.
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Which is exactly what I'm talking about. Wouldn't the cause be served better everyone who posted a pic, in hopes that it would lead to someone else doing something, actually donated $5 of their own? Hell, you could even post a status update along the lines of "Change your pic to a cartoon character if you've contributed to the prevention of child abuse." That way you've spread awareness and actually backed it up, while encouraging other people to do so.
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12-05-2010, 12:53 PM
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#70
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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout
totally stole the Homer & Bart picture and put my facebook status:
If you're going to change your profile picture to a cartoon to help raise awareness about child abuse, please DONATE to help fight child abuse as well. Merely changing your picture is slacktivism, it only costs a few dollars
then I commented on my own status with a link to UNICEF: https://secure.unicef.ca/portal/Smar...209&appealID=1
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This sums it up perfectly. Change your pic to a cartoon if you like, but actually do something to back it up. I stole this for my status, put up a link for United Way, and donated.
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12-05-2010, 12:54 PM
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#71
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I'm on the fence with this whole campaign and I'm also on the fence with the concept of slacktivism in general.
But I do have a question for people in general, why does there seam to be more outrage towards this campaign than to other FaceBook campaigns? (This is just based on the 5 people on my own personal wall who have slammed the concept openly) I'm just curious, because I'm sure most people remember the "Bra Colour" campaign earlier this year, but yet nobody was willing to openly slam that concept.
Why is it that one campaign is okay and fun, while another seemingly similar campaign is offensive. I'm just curious.
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12-05-2010, 12:56 PM
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#72
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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I thought the colour one was lame too.
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12-05-2010, 12:57 PM
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#73
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by puckluck
But how was I acting like it's a priority? Because I copied and pasted a picture I now think child abuse is a priority on my "things to solve in the world" list?
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So why even get involved?
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That's where you guys are confused once again. This is mostly just a fun campaign, and you guys are obviously taking it too seriously.
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Maybe because we take child abuse seriously, and campaigns like this trivialize the issue.
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The fact that people in this thread have donated means it has been a successful campaign.
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Again, I'm not talking about the result. It's fine if you truly believe that the ends justify the means, but I think society should be about more than doing the bare minimum and relying on someone else's actions to achieve success.
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12-05-2010, 12:58 PM
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#74
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Must be the pictures. They change their profile pic to show their support, but large majority aren't doing anything more to actually help towards the cause.
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12-05-2010, 01:00 PM
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#75
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by c.t.ner
I'm on the fence with this whole campaign and I'm also on the fence with the concept of slacktivism in general.
But I do have a question for people in general, why does there seam to be more outrage towards this campaign than to other FaceBook campaigns? (This is just based on the 5 people on my own personal wall who have slammed the concept openly) I'm just curious, because I'm sure most people remember the "Bra Colour" campaign earlier this year, but yet nobody was willing to openly slam that concept.
Why is it that one campaign is okay and fun, while another seemingly similar campaign is offensive. I'm just curious.
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I openly slammed the colour thing, too. All of these campaigns ultimately just degenerate into attention-seeking behaviour in the disguise of philanthropy.
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12-05-2010, 01:00 PM
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#76
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by c.t.ner
I'm on the fence with this whole campaign and I'm also on the fence with the concept of slacktivism in general.
But I do have a question for people in general, why does there seam to be more outrage towards this campaign than to other FaceBook campaigns? (This is just based on the 5 people on my own personal wall who have slammed the concept openly) I'm just curious, because I'm sure most people remember the "Bra Colour" campaign earlier this year, but yet nobody was willing to openly slam that concept.
Why is it that one campaign is okay and fun, while another seemingly similar campaign is offensive. I'm just curious.
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12-05-2010, 01:01 PM
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#77
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Originally Posted by rubecube
That's a pretty bold statement considering you're talking to a person who works with kids everyday.
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That wasn't even directed at you since I was replying to YB'S post.
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Which is exactly what I'm talking about. Wouldn't the cause be served better everyone who posted a pic, in hopes that it would lead to someone else doing something, actually donated $5 of their own? Hell, you could even post a status update along the lines of "Change your pic to a cartoon character if you've contributed to the prevention of child abuse." That way you've spread awareness and actually backed it up, while encouraging other people to do so.
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Again you are taking this way too seriously.
99.9 % of people who do this aren't trying to change the world just to have a little bit of fun. I don't know how many more times I have to say that.
I'm sure there are some people that have donated, but can you really ecpect every single person who changes their pic to donate? The people who change their pics aren't harming anyone and the .1% who actually donate because of this campaign are helping.
Not sure how changing a pic and not donating can do any harm.
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12-05-2010, 01:01 PM
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#78
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by Joborule
Must be the pictures. They change their profile pic to show their support, but large majority aren't doing anything more to actually help towards the cause.
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Part of it. How much time do you think people gave to thinking/doing something about child abuse vs. the time they spent thinking of and finding pics of their favourite cartoon characters? I bet the ratio isn't even close.
Last edited by rubecube; 12-05-2010 at 01:08 PM.
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12-05-2010, 01:07 PM
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#79
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by puckluck
That wasn't even directed at you since I was replying to YB'S post.
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Yes, and I was just letting you know that YB works with kids.
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Again you are taking this way too seriously.
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Because it's a serious issue!
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99.9 % of people who do this aren't trying to change the world just to have a little bit of fun. I don't know how many more times I have to say that.
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So you're basically admitting that the whole idea of this is to have fun, and that awareness is secondary? Explain to me again how this doesn't marginalize the cause.
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Not sure how changing a pic and not donating can do any harm.
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Because it encourages people to do nothing, so long as what they're doing POTENTIALLY leads to someone else doing something. We should be encouraging the people who actually do get involved.
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12-05-2010, 01:08 PM
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#80
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by puckluck
Not sure how changing a pic and not donating can do any harm.
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But isn't doing any good. That is the point. It isn't doing any good and people think they're contributing. Most of my friends grew moustaches for Movember. None of them collected pledges.
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