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Old 11-29-2010, 03:35 PM   #161
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China, where money > Communist ideals. Melamine for dollars!
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:41 PM   #162
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I'm 100% positive they weren't deployed..yet. I thought the point was if the were able the mix in with the nato forces, since Ottawa has be under pressure to send them for the last 2 years I'm assuming they are able. They are also training in New Mexico as we speak for close ground support in desert conditions.
Interesting, do you have any links to articles about this?
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:43 PM   #163
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I don't recall discussions around sending CF-18's over to Afghanistan. Air support simply isn't a problem over there with marine and naval aviation so close at hand.
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:55 PM   #164
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China, where money > Communist ideals. Melamine for dollars!
This is why China is the only place in the world where communism works and still thrives... Its not communism anymore.
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China is fascist, they just call themselves communist.
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:26 PM   #166
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China is fascist, they just call themselves communist.
And the difference is?
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:39 PM   #167
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China is fascist, they just call themselves communist.
Technically no... Fascism requires that there is very strong radical and authoritarian nationalism. This is not the case in China anymore.

Right now China should probably be classified as a single party dictationship/state.
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And the difference is?
Communists believe in creating a world wide socialist state where all property and government are collectively owned by the workers, support the working class, believe in class conflict, they also believe in eradicating capitalism using revolutionary terror, believe in revolution, they believe in equality, abolition of money,commonly owned property and the gradual withering away of government to be replaced with direct democracy tribes who are self sufficient.

Fascists believe in corporations having a large say in government, in private property, totalitarianism, they believe equality is not possible, believe in class collaboration, they believe in the teaching of Nietzsche (power is the object of power), they believe in singular dictatorships, they believe in populism, anti democracy, anti-parliament, militarism, nationalism, imperialism, anti communism, mixed socialism, conservatism, support the middle class, wanting a pre industrial revolution society, exploiting popular religion and being self sufficient.

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Communists believe in creating a world wide socialist state where all property and government are collectively owned by the workers, support the working class, believe in class conflict, they also believe in eradicating capitalism using revolutionary terror, believe in revolution, they believe in equality, abolition of money,commonly owned property and the gradual withering away of government to be replaced with direct democracy tribes who are self sufficient.

Fascists believe in corporations having a large say in government, in private property, totalitarianism, they believe equality is not possible, believe in class collaboration, they believe in the teaching of Nietzsche (power is the object of power), they believe in singular dictatorships, they believe in populism, anti democracy, anti-parliament, militarism, nationalism, imperialism, anti communism, mixed socialism, conservatism, support the middle class, wanting a pre industrial revolution society, exploiting popular religion and being self sufficient.

Thanks for the dictionary definitions.

What is the difference calling China Fascist or Communist aka...The flip side of the same "totalitarian, violent toward dissent, freedom hating" COIN?

Nothing when you are under their boots.
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Thanks for the dictionary definitions.

What is the difference calling China Fascist or Communist aka...The flip side of the same "totalitarian, violent toward dissent, freedom hating" COIN?

Nothing when you are under their boots.
True... but China isn't anywhere near as totalitarian as it used to be. There is a lot more personal freedom than you believe... that and a lot of progress has been made in the last 20 or so years and use of violence is down considerable margins. There is a great deal of talk now as a younger generation of "communists" enter the Chinese politburo and are advocating free speech and a path towards general open elections within 40 years.

The younger generation saw what happened to the Soviet Union and are afraid of allowing rapid change to take place. Most do believe the reform is necessary now but are either waiting for the old guard to die out to enact changes or trying to introduce them more gradually so as not to collapse the state.

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Old 11-29-2010, 07:51 PM   #171
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Interesting, do you have any links to articles about this?
First thing to come up on google

Seems the training has been going on for awhile

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Thanks for the dictionary definitions.

What is the difference calling China Fascist or Communist aka...The flip side of the same "totalitarian, violent toward dissent, freedom hating" COIN?

Nothing when you are under their boots.
Laugh. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Old 11-29-2010, 10:14 PM   #173
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I had heard that we couldn't commit any Hornets to Afghanistan because we used up all our Sparrows and Sidewinders in Kosovo.

Wikipedia has a huge section on the 2 phase modernization project. It sounds like they are completely capable to fly missions with NATO and the US. They are essentially F-18 C/Ds now as the last modernized plane was delivered in March.

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In 2001 the Incremental Modernization Project (IMP) was initiated. The project was broken into two phases over a period of eight years and was designed to improve air-to-air and air-to-ground combat capabilities, upgrade sensors and the defensive suite, and replace the datalinks and communications systems on board the CF-18 from the old F/A-18A and F/A-18B standard to the current F/A-18C and D standard.
Does anyone know if the two seater CF-18Bs are mission capable or are the only for training.
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I thought the two seaters were used as training planes and didn't have weapons system control.

but I don't know a huge amount about the airforce being as they're all spoiled and live in the lap of luxury.
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And the difference is?
Fascism: potical control, economic freedom.
Communism: political control, economic control.
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:14 AM   #176
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When does the USS George Washington get there?
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Old 11-30-2010, 02:05 AM   #177
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I had heard that we couldn't commit any Hornets to Afghanistan because we used up all our Sparrows and Sidewinders in Kosovo.
Both of those are Air-to-Air weapons, not the types of weapons that are really needed in Afghanistan.
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:10 AM   #178
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Not sure if this should have gone in the Wikileaks page or here. According to leaked diplomatic wires. China is ready to drop NK as an ally as they are becoming too much trouble.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...eunified-korea
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Chinese officials assessed that it could cope with an influx of 300,000 North Koreans in the event of serious instability, according to a representative of an international agency, but might need to use the military to seal the border

That sure would make living where I'm at a lot more interesting. About 350kms from the China-NK border.

Really, China's got so much development going on inside that I believe the government just has an interest in keeping everything peaceful enough to support the ongoing growth and construction.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:00 AM   #179
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You guys are correct:

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The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today delivered the 79th - and final - upgraded CF-18 Hornet aircraft to the Canadian Department of National Defence during a ceremony in Mirabel, Quebec, hosted by industry partner L-3 Communications MAS, who performed final upgrade installations. The delivery brings the nine-year, two-phased CF-18 Modernization Project to a close.

Phase 1 of the project, completed in 2006, upgraded the Canadian Hornet fleet’s avionics, radar, radio and weapons capabilities. Phase 2 provided the following improvements:
  • a data link system to ensure Canadian forces are interoperable with aircraft from the United States and other allied nations
  • the Boeing Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System to improve weapons targeting
  • new color cockpit displays to increase situational awareness
  • an upgraded, chaff-and-flare dispensing electronic warfare system to improve survivability
http://www.boeing.ca/ViewContent.do?...20for%20Canada
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:51 PM   #180
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South Korean intelligence says the North will very likely attack again amid uncertainty with leadership succession. Along with the impending retirement for Kim Jong-Il, these look to destabilize the area further.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11887236

Not surprising given all that's happened... Even Chinese intel is saying NK has a good chance of collapsing when Kim Jong-Il passes.
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