Updated Injury List-Nov. 23 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Flickered Flame · 11-23-2005, 07:46 AM

Great job GMs! Only 2 new players to add to an injury list.

Steve Sullivan-Nords
Bryan Smolinski-Sharks

I noticed 2 players that can come off IR and there maybe more so please check rotoworld.

Vesa Toskala-Yotes
Scott parker-Preds

TaejeonGuy · 11-23-2005, 03:55 PM

Latest News

Nov. 22, 2005 - 9:20 am et

Bryan Smolinski will miss tonight's game against the Hurricanes with a bruised chest.
The injury is not serious, and Smolinksi expects to be back in the lineup for Friday night's game versus the Islanders. The team has called up Denis Hamel to take his roster spot.
Source: Ottawa Sun

MJK · 11-23-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

Latest News

Nov. 22, 2005 - 9:20 am et

Bryan Smolinski will miss tonight's game against the Hurricanes with a bruised chest.
The injury is not serious, and Smolinksi expects to be back in the lineup for Friday night's game versus the Islanders. The team has called up Denis Hamel to take his roster spot.
Source: Ottawa Sun

For the 800th time...the ONLY way a player can play in the CPHL if he is on Rotoworld is if he is listed as DAY-to-DAY under EXPECTED RETURN.

Bryan Smolinski is not listed as such which means he can not play and must go on the IR.

HelloHockeyFans · 11-23-2005, 05:18 PM

TaejeonGuy · 11-23-2005, 05:24 PM

Look...I really don't give a rat's ass if it is the 800th time or not.

He was not on the list when I went to sleep. He is on it now. He will play the next game according to several published reports... Seems ridiculous to put him on the IR

Further, there are players now listed as day-to-day that are not playing and likely are days away from doing so...Why the hell should should a player who really is day-to-day be forced to the IR? Do we all lack the basic common sense to make that call?

The attitude sucks, btw MJK and we could do with a little less of it. Rules should be open to discussion. If they seem to be....unfair or wrong, or whatever then someone should never feel that they cannot speak up. A reasonable discourse over that rule should follow; not some holier than thou shouting. Blindly following rules without thinking seems.....scary.

my 2 scheckels worth and I will move him but it REALLY seems like a waste of time, effort and that we are unable to use the two brain cells God (or whatever) has given us.

Cheese · 11-23-2005, 05:25 PM

a FYI. The people who post these IR lists for the league are the CPHL IR Narks. They were approached undercover by KG and begged to join. They are generally long termers who understand the IR and why players must go on IR. I suggest listening or asking another GM for clarification if misunderstood. Also...it doesnt matter what the write up says, if they arent day to day they cannot play....period end of story. This has been discussed ad nauseum for a long time and was put in place to stop GMs from taking advantage.

Thanks.

TaejeonGuy · 11-23-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

They are generally long termers who understand the IR and why players must go on IR.

ummm....because they aren't playing?

Beerfund · 11-23-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

Look...I really don't give a rat's ass if it is the 800th time or not.

He was not on the list when I went to sleep. He is on it now. He will play the next game according to several published reports... Seems ridiculous to put him on the IR

Further, there are players now listed as day-to-day that are not playing and likely are days away from doing so...Why the hell should should a player who really is day-to-day be forced to the IR? Do we all lack the basic common sense to make that call?

The attitude sucks, btw MJK and we could do with a little less of it. Rules should be open to discussion. If they seem to be....unfair or wrong, or whatever then someone should never feel that they cannot speak up. A reasonable discourse over that rule should follow; not some holier than thou shouting. Blindly following rules without thinking seems.....scary.

my 2 scheckels worth and I will move him but it REALLY seems like a waste of time, effort and that we are unable to use the two brain cells God (or whatever) has given us.

This debate has surfaced continually over the years. Basically, we all agree the only good part of this rule is that it is black and white. We need to have a source, rotoworld is updated regularily. It is the source. Move players on an off the IR accordingly. Remember: Day to day - they can play.

HelloHockeyFans · 11-23-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

They are generally long termers who understand the IR and why players must go on IR.

Am I getting fired???

MJK · 11-23-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

Look...I really don't give a rat's ass if it is the 800th time or not.

He was not on the list when I went to sleep. He is on it now. He will play the next game according to several published reports... Seems ridiculous to put him on the IR

Further, there are players now listed as day-to-day that are not playing and likely are days away from doing so...Why the hell should should a player who really is day-to-day be forced to the IR? Do we all lack the basic common sense to make that call?

The attitude sucks, btw MJK and we could do with a little less of it. Rules should be open to discussion. If they seem to be....unfair or wrong, or whatever then someone should never feel that they cannot speak up. A reasonable discourse over that rule should follow; not some holier than thou shouting. Blindly following rules without thinking seems.....scary.

my 2 scheckels worth and I will move him but it REALLY seems like a waste of time, effort and that we are unable to use the two brain cells God (or whatever) has given us.

If you have a problem with the rules, there's a neat little feature on your roster page called: Bickering/Suggestions?

This has also been discussed at great length.

MJK · 11-23-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Am I getting fired???

*insert attitude*

I WISH!

TaejeonGuy · 11-23-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MJK

If you have a problem with the rules, there's a neat little feature on your roster page called: Bickering/Suggestions?

I would prefer to "bicker" (whine, bitch, **** and moan- your choice!) in a public forum where the communication is open to many people's ideas, opinions and ridicule(!). There is a greater liklihood of finding a positive resolution and a better opportunity for finding out whether others have the same opinions, complaints, ideas, etc.

nyrcrisfer · 11-23-2005, 06:06 PM

Rotoworld sucks but what can you do. In terms of injuries, it's probably updated more than any other site out there. If we're going to follow NHL injuries than we have to follow a site... none of us have medical information from each and every NHL team on their players. For better or for worse, rotoworld is that site.

The bottom line is that we all use it. We all get screwed over by rotoworld during the course of the season. Andrei Zyuzin has been out for a week for 3 weeks, I swear. But I'd rather get screwed over by rotoworld than by other GM's.

MJK · 11-23-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nyrcrisfer

Rotoworld sucks but what can you do. In terms of injuries, it's probably updated more than any other site out there. If we're going to follow NHL injuries than we have to follow a site... none of us have medical information from each and every NHL team on their players. For better or for worse, rotoworld is that site.

The bottom line is that we all use it. We all get screwed over by rotoworld during the course of the season. Andrei Zyuzin has been out for a week for 3 weeks, I swear. But I'd rather get screwed over by rotoworld than by other GM's.

Well said.

Goffie · 11-24-2005, 05:32 AM

It has been said many times that we follow Rotoworld. Sure there will be times that a player will play in the NHL while listed as out Rotoworld. But that is the way it is for everyone. There will be a times throughout the season that everyone has a player that they think should be playing,but can't, even if they do play the previous day in the NHL. That is the beauty of using Rotoworld, it is in black and white and fair accross the board. It can be frustrating I know, as I was not the happiest guy in the world while watching Forsberg assault the NHLwhile being ineligible for my team to start the season.

But hey it is the best we are gonna get. It is a great system and will work great as long as everyone does their part and follows it

Cheese · 11-24-2005, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

I would prefer to "bicker" (whine, bitch, **** and moan- your choice!) in a public forum where the communication is open to many people's ideas, opinions and ridicule(!). There is a greater liklihood of finding a positive resolution and a better opportunity for finding out whether others have the same opinions, complaints, ideas, etc.

Please note the rules..we dont allow bickering on the messgae board...hence the iuse of the bickering button on your team page.

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TaejeonGuy · 11-24-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

Please note the rules..we dont allow bickering on the messgae board...hence the iuse of the bickering button on your team page.

So, by being unable to find out what others think, have found out, know to be true/false etc. in the forums we have no idea if what we think, believe to be true, etc is valid. We cannot find out if a wild idea that could be construed as bitching has widespread support...

Ok...c'est la vie...Youse da boss dere. I bow to your demands

MJK · 11-24-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

So, by being unable to find out what others think, have found out, know to be true/false etc. in the forums we have no idea if what we think, believe to be true, etc is valid. We cannot find out if a wild idea that could be construed as bitching has widespread support...

Ok...c'est la vie...Youse da boss dere. I bow to your demands

Every GM in this league, with the exception of you it seems, is going by Rotoworld. We have all agreed it is the best that we can do to manage injuries.

SpongeJamie NoPants · 11-24-2005, 08:53 AM

I like Rotoworld. But I'm still waiting for my name to be on there...

NAME
SpongeJamie NoPants

Position
Any

Status
FABULOUS!

Date
Yup

Injury
Groin

Expected Return
Gimme about an hour

KevanGuy · 11-24-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TaejeonGuy

So, by being unable to find out what others think, have found out, know to be true/false etc. in the forums we have no idea if what we think, believe to be true, etc is valid. We cannot find out if a wild idea that could be construed as bitching has widespread support...

This isn't a democracy.