I got pat down at calgary airport going to mexico because I didn't want to use the scanner and it was exactly like going to a concert. Was not that bad at all people need to grow up and just deal with it. It isn't that big of a deal for 99 percent of people. Sure there are few cases sexual assault and what not but with the amount of people who fly everyday there will always be a couple of these
The procedures in Canadian airports are not the same as those in the US, so your experience may not be reflective of the reality for the vast majority of people exposed to this new approach.
The bigger issue is the apparent tolerance for sexual assault, which honestly blows my mind.
'meh, whatever, what's a couple sexual assaults here or there every day at the hands of employees acting under government mandate?'
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Although I am not all for the pat downs I think they are our best alternative. The other alternative being a terrorist with a bomb comes aboard my flight.
Really? It's either you get patted down OR a terrorist is on YOUR flight? I had no idea they were so intent on getting you - are you Salman Rushdie? That fatwa still applies to you?
This kind of thinking is what gets dumb regulations like this passed in the first place. Proper risk assessment isn't an either/or proposition. How many successful hijackings/bombings of planes have happened in North America since 9/11? Isn't it zero? If anything, we should be looking for ways to make security less intrusive, not more annoying, as time is valuable - even air travellers' time, contrary to the assumption that people should put up with wasting theirs to be "safe".
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How is a pat down a sexual assault? Are the guys grabbing a mans junk and looking him in the eye and saying you will remember me. Or are they grabbing girls breasts and going "honk honk". They are patting people down and sometimes may brush against someones buisness just like I can be in the photocopier room and brush against a co workers breast. Should I be fired and charged with sexual assualt?
Is this just TSA or are they doing it in Canada as well?
If its just the TSA its a great reason to bypass the US when flying anywhere. From what I have read about the body scanner give me that instead of some nasty patdown.
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How is a pat down a sexual assault? Are the guys grabbing a mans junk and looking him in the eye and saying you will remember me. Or are they grabbing girls breasts and going "honk honk". They are patting people down and sometimes may brush against someones buisness just like I can be in the photocopier room and brush against a co workers breast. Should I be fired and charged with sexual assualt?
First, you're the one who said "[s]ure there are few cases sexual assault and what not" so I"m kind of confused on where you stand on this. Second, maybe you skimmed over the reports of women having their breasts grabbed while TSA agents made comments and snickered away. This isn't a case of "brushing" up against people, the full pat down as used in many reported cases is much more intrusive than that.
Sorry I meant a secual assault victim going through the pat down. I am flying to vegas monday morning if I get the chance at a scanner I will turn it down and report how bad these pat downs really are first hand
How is a pat down a sexual assault? Are the guys grabbing a mans junk and looking him in the eye and saying you will remember me. Or are they grabbing girls breasts and going "honk honk". They are patting people down and sometimes may brush against someones buisness just like I can be in the photocopier room and brush against a co workers breast. Should I be fired and charged with sexual assualt?
Is this just TSA or are they doing it in Canada as well?
If its just the TSA its a great reason to bypass the US when flying anywhere. From what I have read about the body scanner give me that instead of some nasty patdown.
How is a pat down a sexual assault? Are the guys grabbing a mans junk and looking him in the eye and saying you will remember me. Or are they grabbing girls breasts and going "honk honk". They are patting people down and sometimes may brush against someones buisness just like I can be in the photocopier room and brush against a co workers breast. Should I be fired and charged with sexual assualt?
The underwear non-bomber and the toner non-bomb is the reason for the intrusive pat downs.
They are far beyond your traditional pat downs, and as you can see from some links here, very humiliating for some.
This is what it is, a totally unnecessary attack on liberty and freedom.
Weird. I go through airport security up to 10 times a month in the US and Canada, and I've never seen or experienced any of this. The worst I got was in Calgary because the scanner was down, and the guy checked the inside of my waistband, which felt a little strange.
Other than that I breeze through security quite quickly. If you properly prepare for it (remove belt, shoes, watch and loose change) and opt for a scan instead of patdown (if asked) you'll never have a problem. Metal detectors never go off, security usually sees you know what you're doing, and they leave you alone. I'm also quite pleasant to them, which they appreciate.
I can guarantee that if you look like you just came off a bender, try to wear sunglasses while in security, and act like a knob they will absolutely without a doubt mess with you.
Although I am not all for the pat downs I think they are our best alternative. The other alternative being a terrorist with a bomb comes aboard my flight.
I am all up for all the safety measures they can put in place to ensure my safety on any given flight.
Also, for the record, I am an east indian and have experienced some of the worst airport discrimination out there.
-Fob.
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Weird. I go through airport security up to 10 times a month in the US and Canada, and I've never seen or experienced any of this. The worst I got was in Calgary because the scanner was down, and the guy checked the inside of my waistband, which felt a little strange.
Other than that I breeze through security quite quickly. If you properly prepare for it (remove belt, shoes, watch and loose change) and opt for a scan instead of patdown (if asked) you'll never have a problem. Metal detectors never go off, security usually sees you know what you're doing, and they leave you alone. I'm also quite pleasant to them, which they appreciate.
I can guarantee that if you look like you just came off a bender, try to wear sunglasses while in security, and act like a knob they will absolutely without a doubt mess with you.
From what I have heard, it has gotten a lot worse since the beginning of November. Maybe they have some information that they can't divulge right now, but it sounds like things are being taken to a new level with Thanksgiving travel coming up.
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Although I am not all for the pat downs I think they are our best alternative. The other alternative being a terrorist with a bomb comes aboard my flight.
I am all up for all the safety measures they can put in place to ensure my safety on any given flight.
Also, for the record, I am an east indian and have experienced some of the worst airport discrimination out there.
-Fob.
Also, these security measures aren't even effective:
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From what I have heard, it has gotten a lot worse since the beginning of November. Maybe they have some information that they can't divulge right now, but it sounds like things are being taken to a new level with Thanksgiving travel coming up.
It was worse about 4 months ago. There was some "security bulletin" issued, and every single passenger was getting the pat down. It didn't matter if the detectors went off or not, it was a full pat down or body scan, no exceptions.
Last week was fine, and I flew through Calg, Minneapolis, Dallas and Atlanta. The easiest by far was Dallas.
It was worse about 4 months ago. There was some "security bulletin" issued, and every single passenger was getting the pat down. It didn't matter if the detectors went off or not, it was a full pat down or body scan, no exceptions.
Last week was fine, and I flew through Calg, Minneapolis, Dallas and Atlanta. The easiest by far was Dallas.
I also had a good experience at the Dallas airport a few weeks ago
