'Intactivists' to San Francisco: Ban circumcision

[Mtt48]

Anyone wanting an update on this thread but don't want to read 9 pages...here you go:

If circumcised -> wtf? who cares? this isn't even an issue. Jesus Christ...

If not circumcised -> barbaric ritual, cruel to babies, my dick has a hoodie and all the chicks I bang love it

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Heckubus97

How's this for a dilemma:

I married a Jewish girl (I am not Jewish), and she has stated that should we have male children, they will have to be circumcised and have a Briss (a sacred rite). By Jewish law, our sons and daughters will be considered Jewish. I am not circumcised and I am against it in principle for many reasons (risk of infections, complications, it is medically unnecessary and traumatic for the child, etc), and definitely do not want it done to any possible sons.

If someone can get me out of this conundrum I will owe you big time. It's just a matter of time before the major blow out argument manifests itself, unless we have daughters. It's almost like riding a lion, at some point I will have (likely) to get off the thing.

It really depends on how you plan to raise your children and what you think their future may hold. I suspect that you: married "reform", are not planning on sending you kids to Jewish school, do not expect them to move to Israel, do not expect you kid to become an observant Jew, do not expect you kid to marry a more observant Jew, live life mostly on the secular, etc. If most of this is the case, then Mom should have no problem with your position. The same Rabbi who married you should be more then willing to bar mitzvah your kid. It is these types of life cycle choices that are rarely discussed until after the fact and make inter-faith marriages a challenge.

I have heard of cases where converts or newly observant Jews chose to get circumcised later in life, but that was their choice.

I suggest seeking out a local Reform Rabbi and your spiritual guide (pastor/priest/imam) and talking to them about it - both on your own and with your wife.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yes, everytime I think about the fact that my parents cruely had my foreskin lopped off, I go into a robotic like state and stab hobo's.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Heckubus97

How's this for a dilemma:

I married a Jewish girl (I am not Jewish), and she has stated that should we have male children, they will have to be circumcised and have a Briss (a sacred rite). By Jewish law, our sons and daughters will be considered Jewish. I am not circumcised and I am against it in principle for many reasons (risk of infections, complications, it is medically unnecessary and traumatic for the child, etc), and definitely do not want it done to any possible sons.

If someone can get me out of this conundrum I will owe you big time. It's just a matter of time before the major blow out argument manifests itself, unless we have daughters. It's almost like riding a lion, at some point I will have (likely) to get off the thing.

There is a ceremony where the foreskin is not removed but still holds to the rights of passage of the Jewish faith.

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/brisshalom.htm

[Thor]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I think the reason I hate condoms so much is because they have the resorvoir tip. Which basically looks like excess foreskin. Which is basically the grossest thing ever.

lol starting to wonder if you even know what foreskin is and how it looks.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

It really depends on how you plan to raise your children and what you think their future may hold. I suspect that you: married "reform", are not planning on sending you kids to Jewish school, do not expect them to move to Israel, do not expect you kid to become an observant Jew, do not expect you kid to marry a more observant Jew, live life mostly on the secular, etc. If most of this is the case, then Mom should have no problem with your position. The same Rabbi who married you should be more then willing to bar mitzvah your kid. It is these types of life cycle choices that are rarely discussed until after the fact and make inter-faith marriages a challenge.

I have heard of cases where converts or newly observant Jews chose to get circumcised later in life, but that was their choice.

I suggest seeking out a local Reform Rabbi and your spiritual guide (pastor/priest/imam) and talking to them about it - both on your own and with your wife.

I wouldn't bother with asking a spiritual leader - you already know what the Rabbi is going to say, for example. Besides, this isn't a spiritual issue, it's a medical one. I think you and your wife should ask a doctor, or show her one of the videos of a baby getting snipped and see what she thinks.

That said, did you have a conversation about this before you got married? I have a buddy who married a Jewish girl and she made it clear before they were married that she'd want to raise the kids Jewish, including circumcision. If your wife had the same conversation with you before you were married I think you might have to get your son snipped if you have one. (but you can still try to reason her out of it, lol)

[red '00]

Originally Posted by Mtt48

Anyone wanting an update on this thread but don't want to read 9 pages...here you go:

If circumcised -> wtf? who cares? this isn't even an issue. Jesus Christ...

If not circumcised -> barbaric ritual, cruel to babies, my dick has a hoodie and all the chicks I bang love it

Not true. You forgot all the awesome pictures. Can't have a circumcision thread without amusing circumcision related imagery.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Mike F

So leaving it up to parents to make decisions for their children about a procedure where the costs and benefits are closely balanced will lead to the breakdown of society?

Are you secretly trying to undermine the anti-circumcision camp by portraying an extreme caricature of an anti-circumcision advocate?

My argument was not concerning specifically circumcision, but namely the notion of "parent's rights" to do whatever the fata they want with their children.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

That was one of the factors in our decision to leave our son intact.

Good for you. And if your son changes his mind later, he still has the opportunity to go collar-less. I'm sure it hurts, but I doubt it can be much worse than getting some heavy dental work done.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

You are a freaking weirdo.

Easy for you to say. I was happy because the little guy slept through the whole procedure and didn't feel a thing. I don't think being happy that your baby son went through something like that without incident is weird at all. It was a relieve that things went so well. Nothing wrong with being happy about that.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Easy for you to say. I was happy because the little guy slept through the whole procedure and didn't feel a thing. I don't think being happy that your baby son went through something like that without incident is weird at all. It was a relieve that things went so well. Nothing wrong with being happy about that.

It is easy for me to say because feeling proud that your son had a piece of his wang cut off and took it like a champ is pretty messed up.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

It is easy for me to say because feeling proud that your son had a piece of his wang cut off and took it like a champ is pretty messed up.

People that judge other people for doing something that is perfectly normal and accepted in society is even more messed up in my opinion.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

People that judge other people for doing something that is perfectly normal and accepted in society is even more messed up in my opinion.

People doing something irrational just because it is accepted by society is even more messed up than that.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

People that judge other people for doing something that is perfectly normal and accepted in society is even more messed up in my opinion.

I'm going there. Godwin's law is in effect.

In Nazi Germany rounding up Jews into camps was perfectly normal and accepted.

I'm glad some people judged those actions.

(Not actually serious. I don't really overly care that you got your kid snipped, I just think it is a seriously weird thing to be proud of. Like if my parents bought me a Nintendo for getting my wisdom teeth out... just strange).

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Heckubus97

How's this for a dilemma:

I married a Jewish girl (I am not Jewish), and she has stated that should we have male children, they will have to be circumcised and have a Briss (a sacred rite). By Jewish law, our sons and daughters will be considered Jewish. I am not circumcised and I am against it in principle for many reasons (risk of infections, complications, it is medically unnecessary and traumatic for the child, etc), and definitely do not want it done to any possible sons.

If someone can get me out of this conundrum I will owe you big time. It's just a matter of time before the major blow out argument manifests itself, unless we have daughters. It's almost like riding a lion, at some point I will have (likely) to get off the thing.

Just apoligize now. Tell her she was right and you were wrong and you won't ever disagree with her again.

Seriouisly though; The procedure has less risk and pain than buying your kid a bike or enrolling him in hockey. Judging from the comments in this thread he will care less that it was done when he is older.

You care about a moment of discomfort. Get use to it. His life will be full of bigger ones; Ones he will actually remember.

Your wife obviously has a strong cultural and religious motivation for getting this done. Yours sounds more like a preference. In an equal relationship I would think she should win this one by default.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I just think its stupid that people want the government to socially engineer everything. Even thinking about making up a law where people can go to jail for this is ridiculous and typical of the far left thought that humanity is incapable of making a personal decision without the government telling them what to do.

Putting laws in place for something like this is even more ridiculous then jail time for minor dope offenses.

You clearly don't understand the argument being put forth whatsoever. It is a libertarian argument: that it should be up to the individual to decide whether or not they get circumcised. That can only happen if the individual's parents aren't permitted to impose a decision on him when he is too young to consent.

Originally Posted by Heckubus97

If someone can get me out of this conundrum I will owe you big time.

Move to San Fran and hope this passes.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I wouldn't bother with asking a spiritual leader - you already know what the Rabbi is going to say, for example.

You have no idea what the Rabbi or Priest or Imam will say. That's like saying you know the Rabbi will tell the Jewish girl not to inter-marry. If Reform Rabbi is willing to conduct inter-marriages, same-sex marriages, s/he may even be open to no circumcision or rituals like the one posted above.

Besides, this isn't a spiritual issue, it's a medical one.

In this case it is a spiritual issue.

I think you and your wife should ask a doctor,

And if the Doctor says it is a great idea. I guess your advice would be to seek out a different doctor until he found one to agree with him.

or show her one of the videos of a baby getting snipped and see what she thinks.

Have you seen a birthing video? after seeing one of those I'm surprised women still go through natural childbirth.

That said, did you have a conversation about this before you got married? I have a buddy who married a Jewish girl and she made it clear before they were married that she'd want to raise the kids Jewish, including circumcision. If your wife had the same conversation with you before you were married I think you might have to get your son snipped if you have one. (but you can still try to reason her out of it, lol)

And talking with doctors and clergy may help bring some reason to it.

Again, very few people have these conversations when courting. The only life cycle event they can comprehend is their wedding. everything else can be worked out later in the name of love!

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Seriouisly though; The procedure has less risk and pain than buying your kid a bike or enrolling him in hockey. Judging from the comments in this thread he will care less that it was done when he is older.

Seriously? Did you get your wang caught in your bike chain as a kid or something?

[red '00]

If this thread is any indication I'd say CP has more hoodies than helmets.

[jammies]

I'm in favour of anything that makes babies cry. Toughen those little punks up and let 'em know they are going to be MEN, not freaks with some sort of smocks 'round their.... jocks.