WESTERN FINALS: Riders vs STAMPEDERS

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by JayP

There was no execution for either team late in the game.

The Stamps scored 5 points in the 2nd half. The Riders scored 3, but the refs gave them an extra 4.

Clearly the weather was a major issue as the game went on. It's easy to say that the Stamps should've just scored again, but in those conditions there's only so much you can do.

while i understand what you are saying, if they jumped on the ball instead of trying to pick it up on the goalline, Stamps win

[moon]

Originally Posted by sixpacked

The same Rider defense that held your league-leading offense to ONE TD, and less than 100 yds rushing, in their last and only chance to get to the GC?? And you are complaining about the refs??? Hilarious. How about put the balme on the offence from not converting those FGs into TD. How about blaming the D for their sloppy tackling and inability to stop the lowly, jump-ball tossing Durant??

The same defense that let Lulay toss the ball at will against them last week. The same defense that gave up the second most yards in the CFL. The same defense that routinely gave up 30+ points and looked like fools against the Stamps in the 3 previous games.

Yes that is the defense that I am talking about.

They did stop the lowly Durant. The problem is the refs then bailed the Riders out with bogus calls to ensure they got points.

Huge sour grapes for blaming the refs. The grounding call on Burris, the pass didn't cross the LOS and the ball ended up in the 6th row. Since when is it legal to 2-handed shove a receiver to the ground when he doesn't have the ball, and before the pass was thrown? And when you make a big play, and the play is dead, you pick-up the ball and deliberately strut to face the Rider DB and do your gun-show pose, you are putting the case forward to the ref, who was standing 2 ft away, to call a textbook case of taunting. I have seen it called numerous times in past. But no the league/refs were out to get the Stamps. Frickin' hilarious.

The ball did cross the LOS with a receiver in the area. Durant made a similar play that was actually closer to Intentional Grounding with out a call.

That was hardly the only BS PI call in the game and the others were garbage.

The taunting play happens all the time without a call.

Cates clear fumble not being called was a convenient one you left out as there is no defense for that as it was a clear fumble or at worst inconclusive.

[Bertuzzied]

For all the bad things the Stamps did yesterday, they were one smart play away from winning the game. too bad Lysack was an idiot and couldn't pick up a football with 4 teammates surrounding him.

[North East Goon]

I thought they made the right call on the Wes Cates supposed fumble, his arm was down before the ball popped loose?

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

For all the bad things the Stamps did yesterday, they were one smart play away from winning the game. too bad Lysack was an idiot and couldn't pick up a football with 4 teammates surrounding him.

That play cost them the game - no question in my mind.

[moon]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I thought they made the right call on the Wes Cates supposed fumble, his arm was down before the ball popped loose?

The ball was clearly coming out before his arm was on the ground.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by sixpacked

How about put the balme on the offence from not converting those FGs into TD.

I could put the same blame on the Rider's offense, except the Stamps aren't lucky enough to get two second chances after being stopped inside the 10.

Huge sour grapes for blaming the refs. The grounding call on Burris, the pass didn't cross the LOS and the ball ended up in the 6th row.

Very similar to Durant's non-call, don't you think? The issue isn't Burris' grounding - it's calling his and not calling Durant's on the exact same play.

And when you make a big play, and the play is dead, you pick-up the ball and deliberately strut to face the Rider DB and do your gun-show pose, you are putting the case forward to the ref, who was standing 2 ft away, to call a textbook case of taunting. I have seen it called numerous times in past. But no the league/refs were out to get the Stamps. Frickin' hilarious.

Yeah, I always see that called in the 4th quarter of playoff games.

Why weren't the Riders flagged for excessively signaling 1st downs at the end of the game in the faces of Stamps players?

Only Rider fans would actually watch that game and attempt to argue that the reffing was excellent and had no impact on the game.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by moon

The ball was clearly coming out before his arm was on the ground.

It wasnt clear on any of the angles TSN showed?

[moon]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

It wasnt clear on any of the angles TSN showed?

The angle from the end zone (?) which showed Cates straight on showed the ball coming out before he touched down.

Again at best for Rider fans it was inconclusive which meant the ruling on the field stands.

I say it was clearly coming out but there is certainly no evidence that he was down before the ball came out, that is for sure.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by moon

The angle from the end zone (?) which showed Cates straight on showed the ball coming out before he touched down.

Again at best for Rider fans it was inconclusive which meant the ruling on the field stands.

I say it was clearly coming out but there is certainly no evidence that he was down before the ball came out, that is for sure.

I could agree with the ruling on the field stands, but there was no clear indication that ball was out before he was down?

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I could agree with the ruling on the field stands, but there was no clear indication that ball was out before he was down?

So assuming the officials made that conclusion after the almost 10 minute review, why overturn the call on the field?

I watch a ton of football and if there is a long review in which they can't determine exactly what happened on that particular play, the call on the field stands and it's ruled inconclusive.

If the call on the field was that Cates was down and it wasn't a fumble, you would have no argument from Stamps fans because the replay would show that it was so close that the officials would have to rule it inconclusive and the call on the field would stand.

However to overturn a call that took almost 10 minutes to review just leaves Stamps fans scratching their heads along with the other questionable calls during that game.

[Poison]

Let me just clear my throat.......
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That is all.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

However to overturn a call that took almost 10 minutes to review just leaves Stamps fans scratching their heads along with the other questionable calls during that game.

I didn't have a great feed for the game and it was really hard to tell when the ball came loose in relation to contact with the ground. (I thought it would go to Calgary, but I'm a pesimist) The league did the right thing in ensuring they took the time to make the right call. There is no time limit for review so they must have really been careful. Or they were waiting on the commish' orders.

From the rule book:

By the time the Referee gets to the sideline, the hope is that the Replay Official at
the CFL office will have already made his decision. Regardless, the Referee will tell
the Replay Official exactly what is being challenged. The Replay Official will then do

one of two things:

1. Tell the Referee whether the ruling on the field was correct or incorrect
and give a detailed explanation so that the Referee can go on-field and make the
announcement to the stadium.
2. Tell the Referee that he needs more time. The Replay Official will take the

time he needs to ensure the correct ruling is made.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Poison

Let me just clear my throat.......
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That is all.

If you were a Stamps fan that'd be 10 minutes in the sin bin for taunting.....

[return to the red]

A very frustrating game to watch for sure. Neither team deserved to win.

I really hope the Riders are content with that win because if they play like they did next week Montreal will absolutely Spank them.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by speede5

I didn't have a great feed for the game and it was really hard to tell when the ball came loose in relation to contact with the ground. (I thought it would go to Calgary, but I'm a pesimist) The league did the right thing in ensuring they took the time to make the right call. There is no time limit for review so they must have really been careful. Or they were waiting on the commish' orders.

From the rule book:

By the time the Referee gets to the sideline, the hope is that the Replay Official at
the CFL office will have already made his decision. Regardless, the Referee will tell
the Replay Official exactly what is being challenged. The Replay Official will then do

one of two things:

1. Tell the Referee whether the ruling on the field was correct or incorrect
and give a detailed explanation so that the Referee can go on-field and make the
announcement to the stadium.
2. Tell the Referee that he needs more time. The Replay Official will take the

time he needs to ensure the correct ruling is made.

I have no issues with the length of time it took for the review because at the end of the day, we want them to get the call right don't we?

However, when it takes that long, it's obvious that the officials are taking a hard look at the play because it could've gone either way and therefore, the play should've been ruled as inconclusive and the call on the field should stand.

[greerb]

That was one of the worst CFL game I have witnessed. Both team didn't deserve to win. But the Refs helped out on team more than the other.

The Pushoff in the endzone that was not called. Then a tug by Browner who "has been getting away with it all season" as my Rider friends would say, that was called. The missed face mask on Lewis at the end of the game, that was missed. And even the flexing of the muscles taunt call, REALLY? At the beginning of the game when Lewis got his objectionable conduct call Kornegay should have got a match on that.

Consistency in the league's officiating needs to be address either call it ALL season or let it slide.

[PeteLFan]

The calgary media is part to blame making the play of our defence a focal point before the game. Heres a message shut the hell up.

The pass interference calls where terrible, and all of the Riders points where aided by the officials and horrendous officiating. Every time the Stamps made progress a cheap calls like grounding, roughing on lewis, taunting was called. Every time the Riders had the ball on offence, there receivers would falls to the ground and drew flags. Winstons Dresslers dive was a disgrace to the sport, he should be ashamed of himself this morning, Anderson didn't touch him. 15-14 the fumble overturn was the icing on the cake, and you knew they where looking to find any way to screw us over. If they called that down by contact, and we challenged, then the ruling on the field should have stood as a down by contact. The thing the watermelon heads fail to see is the ruling was a freaking fumble, and there was no conclusive evidence to overturn that call, so by rule you can't overturn it.

The grounding call on Burris was terrible, and then they don't even call Durant for the same play. Something was not right, and it was on full display yesterday. Jake Ireland has had it in for the Stamps, and there are numerous instances where he has screwed us over. CFL is a disgrace, and is going ot suffer if this continues.

[arloiginla]

It actually feels great to be free of the CFL and never watch again.

Canadian football is a fantastic game, great rules, and exciting to watch. Tons of history too.

But the league unfortunately is a joke. You always knew it in the back of your mind but the excitement of the games made you come back for more. Not anymore.

Frankly the only reason the Riders even have so much support is

a) they are winning
b) they have no hockey team to grow up cheering for over there

Not even bitter about the loss. Just disappointed in a league that I grew up watching and supporting and drove me away in return. One less TV viewer and ticket buyer for them.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

I have no issues with the length of time it took for the review because at the end of the day, we want them to get the call right don't we?

However, when it takes that long, it's obvious that the officials are taking a hard look at the play because it could've gone either way and therefore, the play should've been ruled as inconclusive and the call on the field should stand.

So they were right, and wrong?