The only idiots in this thread are the ignoramuses making broad generalizations.
I tend to think that the stupid ones are people who make base-less, sweeping generalizations in order to feed their own deluded sense of superiority. But hey, to each their own.
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I do cocaine everyday, speed recklessly, drink and drive, purchase prostitutes, beat on my wife, and I'm an Oiler fan (most of these are kidding).
I also have two degrees. Hey, look I'm educated and have a high IQ too...
Am I an idiot? Where is the line drawn? For me, I'd argue that someone who smokes weed everyday is just as big of an idiot as someone who speeds all the time.
I have a buddy or two who are heavy pot smokers. They also have a couple degrees. Being educated, or being smart doesn't mean you make the best life decisions.
I do cocaine everyday, speed recklessly, drink and drive, purchase prostitutes, beat on my wife, and I'm an Oiler fan (most of these are kidding).
I also have two degrees. Hey, look I'm educated and have a high IQ too...
Am I an idiot? Where is the line drawn? For me, I'd argue that someone who smokes weed everyday is just as big of an idiot who speeds all the time.
I have a buddy or two who are heavy pot smokers. They also have a couple degrees. Being educated, or being smart doesn't mean you make the best life decisions.
Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean its wrong. Why don't you come back with something to back up your stance instead of hurling empty arguments and insults?
Actually no... the more you continue what you are posting the more you make my point, so keep givin'er.
Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean its wrong. Why don't you come back with something to back up your stance instead of hurling empty arguments and insults?
Actually no... the more you continue what you are posting the more you make my point, so keep givin'er.
I don't mean any insults, I'm just saying that people do idiotic things all the time- doesn't make it right or wrong morally, but it is still wrong legally.
My morals say that smoking weed is no big deal.
My morals also tell me breaking the law is a big deal.
It just so happens that not breaking the law is morally more important than my thoughts on marijuana smoking and legalization.
edit: thus, I consider criminals to be idiots. It's not meant as an insult really. If smoking weed becomes legal, then my opinion will change.
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I don't mean any insults, I'm just saying that people do idiotic things all the time- doesn't make it right or wrong morally, but it is still wrong legally.
My morals say that smoking weed is no big deal.
My morals also tell me breaking the law is a big deal.
It just so happens that not breaking the law is morally more important than my thoughts on marijuana smoking and legalization.
edit: thus, I consider criminals to be idiots. It's not meant as an insult really. If smoking weed becomes legal, then my opinion will change.
That's sort of odd.
I have smoked the occasional joint, it's not a bad thing, I have a ridiculously overactive mind and sometimes I need to slow it down chemically. That said, the so-called pot activists that turn the drug into a lifestyle are the stereotypes they are trying to overturn. Regardless of success or education, if you make your life all about smoking a plant, you've got some problems.
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I don't mean any insults, I'm just saying that people do idiotic things all the time- doesn't make it right or wrong morally, but it is still wrong legally.
My morals say that smoking weed is no big deal.
My morals also tell me breaking the law is a big deal.
It just so happens that not breaking the law is morally more important than my thoughts on marijuana smoking and legalization.
edit: thus, I consider criminals to be idiots. It's not meant as an insult really. If smoking weed becomes legal, then my opinion will change.
This from the guy who boasts about speeding around town. Give me a ****ing break.
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I do cocaine everyday, speed recklessly, drink and drive, purchase prostitutes, beat on my wife, and I'm an Oiler fan (most of these are kidding).
I also have two degrees. Hey, look I'm educated and have a high IQ too...
Am I an idiot? Where is the line drawn? For me, I'd argue that someone who smokes weed everyday is just as big of an idiot as someone who speeds all the time.
I have a buddy or two who are heavy pot smokers. They also have a couple degrees. Being educated, or being smart doesn't mean you make the best life decisions.
But if I can be serious. I've seen both sides of the equation.
I had a friend who was the occassional partaker, and to me, thats no big deal, he was functional, worked hard, had a good job, took good care of his family.
I also have friends who are what I would consider to be heavy smokers who hit that stuff every day. You can just tell that their brains have slowed down, they have memory problems, they're the stereotypical burn out from the movies.
Like Alcohol, grass does alter your brain chemistry, thats the reason why you get high, and if you do it long term and regular, you can't really convince me that your brain chemistry doesn't permanently alter.
As romantic as it is to say that grass doesn't effect your lungs, the friend of mine that has been what I call a heavy user has the same kind of lung rumble/hacking cough as a smoker.
Is it addictive? I don't know, but as much as it might not be physically addictive, it could be mentally addictive, and a bit of a crutch.
Legalization issues aside, I have no problem with legalizing it for personal use, but it needs to be treated the same as Alcohol, that means no driving under the influence, and use during work hours gets you fired.
Its funny, because for a lot of years, Tobacco studies showed it to be safe, mainly because the Tobacco companies were powerful enough and smart enough to influence studies. I still have a pamphlet that my mom gave me for pregnent woman that said that studies had shown that it was healthy for woman to smoke into the second trimester. That smoking was a great stree reliever, that with these gosh darn new wiz banging filters they were safe and gentle on your lungs. Taste the adventure they say, now its a habit for me thats hard to break.
But I see the same kind of lobby effect with grass. Its harmless, it cures cancer, its cures warts, its a great stress reliever, it doesn't hurt your lungs.
to me, if your inhaling smoke into your lungs, there's damage occuring.
A doctor once told me an interesting thing.
The feeling of euphoria that you get when you drink, is your body screaming "Your poisoning me", the high you get off of drugs is the same thing "Your piosoning me"
I just don't think its a good thing.
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I've seen that too and more times than not. However, I've also seen some friends get really into cocaine. I'm sure it has a lot to do with personality.
Impossible to say that those friends got into coke as a result of the weed. Impossible to say the weed had no affect as well. My own personal guess is that somebody who ends up doing a lot of coke would have been likely to end up in that situation with or without weed.
I do agree with the captain above though ^^ ... I believe the human lung is meant to take in air not designed to take in much else. Not that there aren't medicinal benefits, but taking smoke into the lungs isn't healthy imo.
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Irregardless, stimulants, alcohol especially, are part of life's great gift. I think partaking them aesthetically and for pleasure is one of the finest things that we can do. Personally, I like wine.
1. Marijuana Causes Cancer
Many have said that smoking pot and smoking cigarettes is the same thing and, therefore; marijuana must cause cancer, as well. Not only have countlessindependentstudies disproved this, but some have actually found thatmarijuana decreased tumor growthby as much as 50%. (Sorry, cigarettes will still kill you.)
Not at all disproved, contrary to what that site says. There haven't been any studies good enough to tell us one way or the other - partly because there are so few people who have smoked pot regularly without also having smoked tobacco, and partly because prevalent pot smoking is a more recent phenomenon and it takes many years for lung cancer to develop (the study the website quoted excluded anyone over 60, which pretty much invalidates it).
We know that there are several confirmed carcinogens in pot smoke, and exposure is likely actually higher than from tobacco smoke. There is very limited evidence that THC might mitigate some of this risk, but the jury is still out on that. Second-hand pot smoke is almost certainly carcinogenic.
I'm pretty neutral on recreational pot smoking (so long as they don't drive impaired or expose others to their smoke), but to say that any association with cancer has been "disproven" is a big stretch.
I have a hard time trying to decide if I think it should be legalized.
On one hand I don't see how it could be any worse than alcohol and the country might as well make tax money off it.
On the other hand, I've been to Amsterdam numerous times and you can't walk down a popular street without having a totally sketchy dealer whispering heroin, cocaine, crack, ect. as you walk by. I personally can't prove that this has anything to do with legalized pot but I can say that I have walked around the streets of many other cities around the world and never been approached in that manner. I wouldn't want my city to turn into that.
I honestly could careless if people smoke pot or if you could buy it at the grocery. Not going to lie, I don't ever have it in my house, but if someone puts it infront of me at a party, there's a good chance i'm not going to say no if i've had a couple drinks. To me it's less destructive than alcohol.
I'll tell you one thing though, it appears to be addictive based on my own personal experiences. I have a couple of friends who are huge potheads. They cannot function without it. One of them has a couple gram a day habbit (2 or 3), and you can tell when he isn't high because he goes from being the nicest guy in the world, to one aggrevated, angry individual until he gets it in him. To make it through the work day he has to smoke before he leaves in the morning, and within seconds of arriving home from work. I can just imagine how testy he is around 2-3 in the afternoon. He was recently fired from his job because of the way he interacted with the sales department, and i'd bet everything I own it's because of how agitated he gets when he isn't high.
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I am a guy that has partaken on and off for 35 years now. Mostly off the last decade however, and for good reason.
there is no question in my mind that it does have long term affects but when used in moderation, like anything else, those will be limited. I know several who just never slowed down on the stuff out of high school and they suffer these days...i call it "weed dull". Just arent as sharp as they once were, have much less motivation than they used to and more than anything cannot function without it to any level once seen. Thats a problem no matter what anyone says.
Agian i dont propose the stuff to be criminalized, I think its assinine actually and compares to prohibition when you look at it. However, it will damage you to varying degrees, a=of that there is NO question. And anyone who proposes that it wouldnt at least contribute to the development of lung cancer should give their heads a shake, inhaling ANYTHING foreign to oxygen will likely help in that cause.
