11-09-2010, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
1) Agree that I won't pay a penny to read it. This whole political book phenomenon is way overplayed, and real writers must be crying themselves to sleep nightly.
2) The torture deal has been the most confusing to me. Given the guy's faith, there has to be an amazing disconnect to be able to sign off on the torture of another human being. This is why I've always suspected the sincerity of his faith, and his real ability to introspect. Hopefully, his advocation of torture will turn out to be an even larger stain on his presidency*.
* This point is what drives me nuts about Obama as well. He's been a stooge to the security apparatus on this regard, and has not been able to distinguish himself morally between Bush / Cheney's corrupt "terror war" infrastructure. This alone has made Obama's administration a failure for me.
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See Barack Obama.
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11-09-2010, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by zukes
The biggest reason for the recession is that Average Joe American has used credit for everything for years, as credit was and still is way too easy to get.
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Who do you think changed the regulations that allowed lending institutions to give out cards to people without the means to pay for them? Deregulation is usually a dangerous thing. There are reasons, usually historical, these regulations get put in place to begin with. Removing them is usually a huge step backward.
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11-09-2010, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by zukes
The biggest reason for the recession is that Average Joe American has used credit for everything for years, as credit was and still is way too easy to get.
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That's largely true in the US but not as much so in Canada. Why? Because in Canada we have rules in place to prevent exactly what happened in the US. Obviously, Canada didn't get it 100% right as we still have credit issues but we're in much better shape than the US because of the regulations that are in place.
Why aren't those regulations in place in the US? Because Bush and Clinton removed them. Clinton did so, in effect, to buy votes in Congress and fund raise on Wall Street for the Democratic party. Bush did so because it is part of the Conservative ideology that was firmly established during the Reagan administration and sharpened to a fine point over the last 3 decades by guys like Paul Wolfawitz, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Bill Krystal and the so called right wing think-tank.
My biggest concern with Bush was his utter lack of any semblence of an intellectual curiosity. It seemed like in Bush's world things 'are as they are, and always have been and always will be'. He seems to have a myopic and naive world view that prevented him from ever questioning not only his own philosophy but also that of the movement he so quickly and fully subscribed to. It made him appear to be nothing more than a puppet for the neo-conservatives and big business. Whether he truly was or not I have no idea.
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11-09-2010, 08:43 AM
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On a lighter note Stephen Harper has a sense of humour...
A more humorous anecdote involves Prime Minister Stephen Harper. The Canadian leader makes a cameo appearance in Bush's memoir, cracking a bawdy joke at the expense of Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
Bush writes about a trip to Russia in which Putin boasted about the size of his black Labrador.
"Bigger, stronger, faster than Barney," Putin said, referring to Bush's diminutive Scottish terrier. When Bush recounted the story to Harper, the prime minister replied: "You're lucky he only showed his dog."
Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/pr...#ixzz14ngixfcm
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11-09-2010, 08:45 AM
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Thanks for the The Patriot Act you jerk.
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11-09-2010, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Green
Yes. He was responsible for the overspending and increasing enormous tax cuts. The budget deficit can be traced back to him.
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That's not why the economy tanked.
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11-09-2010, 09:01 AM
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Holy smokes, Barbara Bush!
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In Decision Points, Bush said his mother showed him the miscarried fetus. "I never expected to see the remains of the fetus, which she had saved in a jar to bring to the hospital," Bush writes.
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11-09-2010, 09:01 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
Thanks for the The Patriot Act you jerk.
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You're welcome, now why don't you give me your address so we can come by and talk about this like rational human beings.
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11-09-2010, 09:02 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by peter12
Holy smokes, Barbara Bush!
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Barb's a little different, I remember when she snapped that interns neck just to watch him die.
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11-09-2010, 09:34 AM
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I would have asked him about the Giants roasting the Rangers.
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11-09-2010, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
That's not why the economy tanked.
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I already said that he was president for his first term during a period of predicted recession.
The question was could the recession have been avoided? One of the longest recession's since the great depression COULD HAVE been avoided. A recession probably couldn't have been avoided. But the recession could have. If that makes any sense.
Recession's come and go. This recession is worth talking about in a large part due to George W. Bush. His policies to combat a period of predicted economic instability were not the policies the United States needed.
EDIT: I assume you mean the budget deficit isn't why the economy tanked in the sense it didn't start it. Not that it had nothing to do with it.
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11-09-2010, 04:52 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by zukes
The biggest reason for the recession is that Average Joe American has used credit for everything for years, as credit was and still is way too easy to get.
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It has been for a while. But George Bush does get a little blame for this as well (although not alone). Him and his belief in small government is a big reason regulations weren't in place for 8 years.
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11-09-2010, 04:53 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
ignoring all the moral controversies about the Iraq war, torturing,
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I don't know how to ignore the civilian deaths in Iraq. Even the low estimates are in the tens of thousands.
That should be way more important than the economy, shouldn't it?
The worst part is that it was totally unjustified. I mean, would it have occurred but for 9/11? I think not. Yet, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so how does that follow?
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11-09-2010, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flashpoint
I don't know how to ignore the civilian deaths in Iraq. Even the low estimates are in the tens of thousands.
That should be way more important than the economy, shouldn't it?
The worst part is that it was totally unjustified. I mean, would it have occurred but for 9/11? I think not. Yet, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so how does that follow?
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That doesn't matter, those deaths are just statistics. People will now find a way to spin something positive or re-frame the perception of these issues, because after all, it was an American President acting democratically in the protection of freedom (which was obviously a huge load of BS).
Bush and his regime, and the American public to an extent, have blood on their hands, and were more of a threat to world peace and stability than they were a benefit to it.
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11-09-2010, 05:14 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Still waiting for my library to get their copies in but I have it reserved. Weee!
Oh, and also, in the book, he apparently states his biggest regret during his presidency: Kanye West saying he doesn't care about black people.
That's his biggest regret during his presidency. The biggest thing that bothers him. Kanye West.
Can't wait to read it.
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11-09-2010, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
Oh, and also, in the book, he apparently states his biggest regret during his presidency: Kanye West saying he doesn't care about black people.
That's his biggest regret during his presidency. The biggest thing that bothers him. Kanye West.
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It sure didn't look like it was still burdening him when he and his father were riding the golf cart on the baseball field before the World Series game...
Seriously though, that guy should be out each and every day raising money for disabled troops, their families, their orphaned kids, etc... He should be putting Gary Sinise to shame, but he isn't. I think that confirms all I feared about his character.
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11-09-2010, 08:05 PM
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He is a link to excerpts from Oprah's interview
CLICK HERE for more.
Bush flared against critics who called his Katrina response racist. Winfrey reminded him that rapper Kanye West said during a 2005 telethon for hurricane survivors that "[COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]George [COLOR=#366388 ! important]Bush[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] doesn't care about black people." "That really hurt," Bush said. "You can disagree with my politics, but don't ever accuse me of being a racist. ... I can see how the perception would be Bush didn't care, but to accuse me of being a racist is disgusting."
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11-09-2010, 08:09 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Originally Posted by HOZ
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Bush is right. It's not that he doesn't care about black people. He just doesn't like poor people, white, black, mexican, whatever.
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11-09-2010, 08:40 PM
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I will read his book when he reads it first.
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11-09-2010, 09:02 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by SeeBass
I will read his book when he reads it first.
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without moving his lips.
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