Iranian woman to be stoned for adultery

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by T@T

Their either too afraid to say a thing or so f'ked up with religious beliefs they think it's all good.

Yeah it's a bit of both I think.

I have some good Muslim friends and sometimes we talk about these issues over lunch or dinner. They sometimes feel like they're being targeted and profiled, when looking for jobs, or getting on the C-Train or of course at the airport and boarding flights. They argue that the Muslims worldwide are a peace loving people but their whole reputation and world standing is so bad
over a small fanatical group.

While I agree with them somewhat, I told them that if there are a billion Muslims in the world, they wouldn't let a small group of fanatics do what they do if they were outraged. So it must be that they generally agree with some parts of what the fanatics are doing.

If 'you' as a group hate something, you have to protest. Even in a place like Calgary, there are protests going on all the time. Protests against China, Sri Lanka and other countries. Why aren't Muslims in Ottawa protesting in front of the Iranian embassy for example? Put pressure on the Canadian government to act. Hey it may not do much but you're out there right? I've gone to demonstrations and held signs for the smallest little things, but they're important to me.

I told them to be more active. If you're silent, then you agree with what's going on.

[CaptainCrunch]

I really agree with the above.

While you can't indict a religion based on silence, that changes when you have a general lack of condemnation of really violent acts.

The Muslim communities really fails in reaching out to the community, they're fairly silent when the extremists act, so the interpretation is that they either don't have a problem with it, or they're intimidated by the radical elements of their religion.

Islam really needs their own version of Martin Luther who forces a reformation of Islam through sheer force of will.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I really agree with the above.

While you can't indict a religion based on silence, that changes when you have a general lack of condemnation of really violent acts.

The Muslim communities really fails in reaching out to the community, they're fairly silent when the extremists act, so the interpretation is that they either don't have a problem with it, or they're intimidated by the radical elements of their religion.

Islam really needs their own version of Martin Luther who forces a reformation of Islam through sheer force of will.

there have been a few people like that who try to force change, problem is that they almost always get blown up

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

No kidding.

What's disgusting (other than some of the posts in this thread) is that there is very little outrage among muslim women, especially the ones living in Western world (other than a web petition). I live in Sydney (tons of muslims live here) and they are all quiet, possibly thinking she "deserves it" because thats the way they were brought up. Yet they were all going bananas over a few stupid cartoons.

What a effed up "culture."

Sorry, but just because someone is silent doesn't mean they agree with what's going on.

And you live in one of the most racist places in the world, and to me that's digusting. If you don't speak out against racism then you must be a racist..right?.

Yes her being executed is wrong and disgusting, but so is 2 million other things in the world. The death penalty is disgusting no matter what the crime. No government should be able to execute its citizens.

And the reason people went bananas over the cartoons is because someone attacked their religion. A random woman in Iran getting killed makes no difference to muslim woman in Sydney. Sure they probably feel bad, but when something doesn't direct affect someone they usually don't act out and start protesting.

Your post reeks of hatred, which doesn't surprise me because you come from a racist "culture" in Sydney.

[killer_carlson]

when did Australia become one of the most racists places in the world?


Sure their treatment of aboriginals could use some cleaning up, but Melbourne has the second largest greek population of a city in the world. Perth and Sydney were full of mix race couples and international influence (at least the times I've been there).

That statement has no basis in fact.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Why refer to a book you know 99% of people on this forum haven't read?

C'mon, books are quoted all the time that most people have not read. I'd guess that 99% or close to it have never read the book. It doesn't diminish the point being made.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yeah it's a bit of both I think.

I have some good Muslim friends and sometimes we talk about these issues over lunch or dinner. They sometimes feel like they're being targeted and profiled, when looking for jobs, or getting on the C-Train or of course at the airport and boarding flights. They argue that the Muslims worldwide are a peace loving people but their whole reputation and world standing is so bad
over a small fanatical group.

While I agree with them somewhat, I told them that if there are a billion Muslims in the world, they wouldn't let a small group of fanatics do what they do if they were outraged. So it must be that they generally agree with some parts of what the fanatics are doing.

If 'you' as a group hate something, you have to protest. Even in a place like Calgary, there are protests going on all the time. Protests against China, Sri Lanka and other countries. Why aren't Muslims in Ottawa protesting in front of the Iranian embassy for example? Put pressure on the Canadian government to act. Hey it may not do much but you're out there right? I've gone to demonstrations and held signs for the smallest little things, but they're important to me.

I told them to be more active. If you're silent, then you agree with what's going on.

Read: People must not be doing anything because they're not doing the type of activity that *I* expect to see them do.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

when did Australia become one of the most racists places in the world?


Sure their treatment of aboriginals could use some cleaning up, but Melbourne has the second largest greek population of a city in the world. Perth and Sydney were full of mix race couples and international influence (at least the times I've been there).

That statement has no basis in fact.

I was painting all of Sydney with a WIDE brush. Sort of like what he did.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck

And the reason people went bananas over the cartoons is because someone attacked their religion.

Boo f'ckin Hoo and Whoop-D-Doo

They wanted to do a jihad on Denmark over these...please!

[puckluck]

Yes, and it's pretty insulting.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Yes, and it's pretty insulting.

Just proves you and the world needs to lighten up.

For the record, I guess I'm a racist...I hate all religions, now if I could only find the time and talent to draw cartoons!

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by T@T

Just proves you and the world needs to lighten up.

For the record, I guess I'm a racist...I hate all religions, now if I could only find the time and talent to draw cartoons!

Sure you can hate religion, but do you hate someone for being religious?

Why should you choose or care what I get offended from? does anyone care what you get offended from? I'm sure I can draw a bunch of cartoons that could offend you, but why would I? why should I draw a cartoon out of hatred towards you?

Is there any other reason for any cartoon to be made out of hatred? free speech? Bologna...that's just a cover up for the hatred the cartoons are trying to spread.

Personally I think the context of why the cartoons were made is offensive, and not because of the actual drawings.

So you continue to hate religion but that's pretty ignorant especially if you hate people for the simple fact they are religious. I don't hate any religion and am tolerant of all people from different races and religions (unless they are behind the wheel of a car)

Anyways this thread isn't about cartoons. I think there was already enough discussion on this subject.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Sure you can hate religion, but do you hate someone for being religious?

Why should you choose or care what I get offended from? does anyone care what you get offended from? I'm sure I can draw a bunch of cartoons that could offend you, but why would I? why should I draw a cartoon out of hatred towards you?

Is there any other reason for any cartoon to be made out of hatred? free speech? Bologna...that's just a cover up for the hatred the cartoons are trying to spread.

Personally I think the context of why the cartoons were made is offensive, and not because of the actual drawings.

So you continue to hate religion but that's pretty ignorant especially if you hate people for the simple fact they are religious. I don't hate any religion and am tolerant of all people from different races and religions (unless they are behind the wheel of a car)

Anyways this thread isn't about cartoons. I think there was already enough discussion on this subject.

Christians and Jews get made fun of all the time on TV and in movies, yet they never threaten to blow people up because of it. muslims claim that islam is the religion of peace, yet if that's so why are they the source for the biggest terrorist acts of the last few decades?

[burning_acid1]

Harsh...

[Calgaryborn]

What this women did was wrong. She shamed her husband and children(if any) as well as her parents. In her culture she did about the worst thing a women can do. She did this and risked a death sentence for what? A little afternoon delight?

Do I think she should be executed for her foolishness? Of course not. The punishment is overtly harsh just like many of the judgements we hear handed down in these Arab courts. But, I'm wondering why this particular judgement has caught the attention of the world press and this forum. This thread is sitting at thirteen pages already.

Iran like many other Muslims have the death penalty for blaspheme. This includes things like converting to another religion, being baptized, proclaiming that Jesus is God, or denying that there is a God. These executions are carried out regularly with little press coverage and little outrage.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are foundational rights. Adultery is a wrong. If Muslims should be protesting what is going on in the name of their religon I would think there is better places to start than defending a women who committed adultery.

[burning_acid1]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

What this women did was wrong. She shamed her husband and children(if any) as well as her parents. In her culture she did about the worst thing a women can do. She did this and risked a death sentence for what? A little afternoon delight?

Do I think she should be executed for her foolishness? Of course not. The punishment is overtly harsh just like many of the judgements we hear handed down in these Arab courts. But, I'm wondering why this particular judgement has caught the attention of the world press and this forum. This thread is sitting at thirteen pages already.

Iran like many other Muslims have the death penalty for blaspheme. This includes things like converting to another religion, being baptized, proclaiming that Jesus is God, or denying that there is a God. These executions are carried out regularly with little press coverage and little outrage.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are foundational rights. Adultery is a wrong. If Muslims should be protesting what is going on in the name of their religon I would think there is better places to start than defending a women who committed adultery.

The Eastern and Western cultures are drastically different and this story caught a lot of attention from the Western culture because a punishment for such an act is unheard of over here.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Christians and Jews get made fun of all the time on TV and in movies, yet they never threaten to blow people up because of it. muslims claim that islam is the religion of peace, yet if that's so why are they the source for the biggest terrorist acts of the last few decades?

Because they are extremists why else? Isn't that why they call them extremists?

But to label a whole religion not peaceful because of a few thousand wahabi extremists is silly.

No religion is cuddles and sunshine.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Because they are extremists why else? Isn't that why they call them extremists?

But to label a whole religion not peaceful because of a few thousand wahabi extremists is silly.

No religion is cuddles and sunshine.

But that's what people do. Judge the actions of a few for the many. Again, why don't a billion 'good' Muslims stop a few thousand 'bad' fanatics? Because they don't really want to or agree with it.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But that's what people do. Judge the actions of a few for the many. Again, why don't a billion 'good' Muslims stop a few thousand 'bad' fanatics? Because they don't really want to or agree with it.

So I should fly over to Iraq and start killing extremists? How would the "billions" of muslims stop them from creating terror?

If the best army in the world can't do it how do you expect the muslim population to do it? You can't just say STOP! and they'll just listen. You speak out against them and they will kill you. Simple as that.

And muslims in the Western world do speak out against them. I go to Friday prayer every week and the sheikh there regularly calls them (extremists) out as not being true muslims. Calls them a lot of other bad names too, but of course that will never get in the media.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by puckluck

So I should fly over to Iraq and start killing extremists? How would the "billions" of muslims stop them from creating terror?

If the best army in the world can't do it how do you expect the muslim population to do it? You can't just say STOP! and they'll just listen. You speak out against them and they will kill you. Simple as that.

And muslims in the Western world do speak out against them. I go to Friday prayer every week and the sheikh there regularly calls them (extremists) out as not being true muslims. Calls them a lot of other bad names too, but of course that will never get in the media.

So what's the solution? Protest? Stop funding? Where do extremists get money? It's not a war fought on the battleground, it's a philosophical change.

I know you and your community are doing all the right things. It has to begin at our civilian level. Then it goes up to government. Get the true Muslims to run for political office and be in positions of importance and make a difference in the western world. Get the message out into the media. It never gets into the media because there aren't important Muslims in power. And maybe it will funnel to Muslim countries.

Bring the good things in Western society (if you think there are any) and compliment them with Muslim values.

I'm really trying to understand the issues. My friends complain to me about this and that and I really don't know where to begin. One of them is seeing a Catholic guy... it's not a good situation at all.