2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I am not defending Moss, never have. That being said, everywhere he has been sans Oakland, he has been considered an exemplary teammate. He has never divided locker rooms per se, but his issue has always been with management/coaches.

From what Al Davis and Kerry Collins have said recently, he was a good teammate on the Raiders as well... the coach was Art Shell and I can't blame Moss for not buying what Shell was selling.

[burn_baby_burn]

Interesting Blog about QB's sliding in the NFL and the unfair advantage they get from doing so. Not surprisingly, they use Peyton Manning as an example.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/...urn=nfl-282167

Manning began his slide well before getting the first down. By rule, he's still a live ball carrier because he hasn't hit the ground yet. But if Bernard Pollard(notes) (the flash in white on the left) had been closer and hit Manning during the beginning of the slide, you can be assured he would have earned a 15-yard penalty for his actions. Hit a quarterback in the midst of the fall to the ground and it will draw a flag every time.
So, basically, a quarterback is protected from the instant he begins his slide to the moment he touches the ground. For Manning on this particular play, that covered 2 yards. Two yards in which he couldn't be hit, but was free to gain more yards.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Interesting Blog about QB's sliding in the NFL and the unfair advantage they get from doing so. Not surprisingly, they use Peyton Manning as an example.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/...urn=nfl-282167

Wrong. The rule is that the ball is supposed to be spotted where the QB begins his slide.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wrong. The rule is that the ball is supposed to be spotted where the QB begins his slide.

So your saying that the NFL twisted the rules in Peyton Manning's favor?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

So your saying that the NFL twisted the rules in Peyton Manning's favor?

Wouldn't be the first time.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wouldn't be the first time.

No kidding.

[burn_baby_burn]

Chiefs and Raiders play a meaningful game for the first time in recent memory.

Also Chiefs cautioning rookies about the scum pit that the Raiders call home.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/03...-oaklands.html

Guard Brian Waters told the story on his first trip to Oakland of the Chiefs bus being pelted by batteries thrown by Raiders fans.
“At least the parking lot atmosphere has been consistent over 11 years, and I expect it to be the same on Sunday,” Waters said. “If you’ve been there enough, you know to stay out of the end zone during warmup if you don’t want your mother talked about in a vulgar manner.”

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wrong. The rule is that the ball is supposed to be spotted where the QB begins his slide.

Where he starts the motion, or where he actually first touches the ground?

I thought the idea of the rule was that he didn't need to be down by contact when he slid, but it is still where the ball is when a knee/rump/elbow/etc touch the turf.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Where he starts the motion, or where he actually first touches the ground?

I thought the idea of the rule was that he didn't need to be down by contact when he slid, but it is still where the ball is when a knee/rump/elbow/etc touch the turf.

Sounds like the officials are as confused as the rest of us. If you watch that video (or watched the game Monday), Peyton goes into his slide before the first down marker. However he isn't actually down until he has the first down. The ref called him short of the first down marking the ball where he started his slide. The Colts challenged the call and had it reversed.

Now either the ref was told that regardless of the rule the NFL needs Peyton Manning in the playoffs. Or he was wrong about his interpretation of the rule in the first place.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Sounds like the officials are as confused as the rest of us. If you watch that video (or watched the game Monday), Peyton goes into his slide before the first down marker. However he isn't actually down until he has the first down. The ref called him short of the first down marking the ball where he started his slide. The Colts challenged the call and had it reversed.

Now either the ref was told that regardless of the rule the NFL needs Peyton Manning in the playoffs. Or he was wrong about his interpretation of the rule in the first place.

I tried googling it and while you can find some some rules you cannot find that one.

But the point of the article stands, it is just getting tougher and tougher to get to the quarterback.

For as much as Dis called the personal fouls on hits against Orton dirty, if you watch the replay Orton ducked to try and slip the tackle. So a player trying for a sack can't hit the QB low, can't hit the QB in the head, and then the QB ducks at the last second (resulting in hitting the (now lowered) helmet and a 15 yard personal foul). Guys getting to the QB seem to have about an 18" target to try and hit. I can see how some players are getting frustrated.

You want to protect QBs, other than a WR extending for a catch they are in the most vulnerable positions the most number of times and are the most important player. I understand that. But it almost time to just let them wear flags.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Sounds like the officials are as confused as the rest of us. If you watch that video (or watched the game Monday), Peyton goes into his slide before the first down marker. However he isn't actually down until he has the first down. The ref called him short of the first down marking the ball where he started his slide. The Colts challenged the call and had it reversed.

Now either the ref was told that regardless of the rule the NFL needs Peyton Manning in the playoffs. Or he was wrong about his interpretation of the rule in the first place.

The NFL needs EVERY ONE of its star QB's in the playoffs....that isnt a Peyton Manning rule. its a "save the most important players on a team" rule.

[Bobblehead]

Hasselbeck is out.

Charlie Whitehurst, your first NFL start is against the NY Giants. Good luck with that.

[OILFAN #81]

To be completely honest, I am not sure what the sliding rule is myself. I have been told multiple things from different people. What would make sense is that it is where a player's body part first hits the ground which is why IMO that it was a first down. The MNF crew was saying it was a first down when the referee was under the hood so they probably made the right call.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

To be completely honest, I am not sure what the sliding rule is myself. I have been told multiple things from different people. What would make sense is that it is where a player's body part first hits the ground which is why IMO that it was a first down. The MNF crew was saying it was a first down when the referee was under the hood so they probably made the right call.

But if you can't hit the QB when he's sliding, than I think it should be when he starts the slide. You can easily get 2 yards from when you start a slide to when you hit the ground. If you can't hit the QB and stop his progress when he starts the slide, than you have to down the ball at the point where the slide starts to make it fair. Otherwise it's 2 free yards or a 15 yard penalty. I think it is important to protect QB's and letting them slide without taking a hit gives fans the oppurtunity to see the better guys stay in games from not taking violent hits. But at the same time, you can't be giving these guys free yards in my opinion.

I think the rule currently reads when the QB is down that's where the forward progress stops, but it should be where he starts the slide, or any contact from when the slide starts to before he hits the ground without being touched should be fair game.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

But if you can't hit the QB when he's sliding, than I think it should be when he starts the slide. You can easily get 2 yards from when you start a slide to when you hit the ground. If you can't hit the QB and stop his progress when he starts the slide, than you have to down the ball at the point where the slide starts to make it fair. Otherwise it's 2 free yards or a 15 yard penalty.

I think the rule currently reads when the QB is down that's where the forward progress stops, but it should be where he starts the slide, or any contact from when the slide starts to before he hits the ground without being touched should be fair game.

I wouldn't be against that. I just want the rule to be clear. I think a lot of people aren't sure about it.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Hasselbeck is out.
Charlie Whitehurst, your first NFL start is against the NY Giants. Good luck with that.

Can't be happier. SEA in tough this weekend anyways. A little unsure where Hasslebeck got a small concussion, and not to suggest he's faking it or using an excuse for the putrid performance on Sunday, but its a theory.

He's used the "nagging" injury excuse to the max in previous years (yes he's been legitimately hurt, but he's also at times had some small issues but seemed to use them as an excuse after losses), but previous regimes kept him in, partly because there was no decent backup they could trust, partially because Hasslebeck wasn't as bad as he made out to be.

If he is using it as an excuse this time, his bluff is called.

Regardless, good to get Whitehurst a start...I don't expect a win, but would love to see some fire and maybe even rally the team.

Its just nice to see the team with another viable option at QB, and a coaching staff ready to let someone other then Hasslebeck at the controls to give the team a different look and a different leader/attitude, hopefully.

Next step would be to pull Hasslebeck him at half time of a game like last Sunday (or against the Rams a few weeks back) when he's stinking out the joint and the team needs a spark or give a different look to try and rally from behind, something Hasslebeck hasn't done in the last few years.

[rubecube]

DeSean Jackson has a new helmet that is supposed to help prevent concussions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5765637

Love this part of the article:

The NFL has a contract with Riddell, but players are permitted to wear helmets made by other companies if they obscure the logo.

So instead of promoting safer equipment to prevent concussions, the league goes for the cash grab. Just another example of the league speaking out of both sides of its mouth when it comes to concussions.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Chiefs and Raiders play a meaningful game for the first time in recent memory.

Also Chiefs cautioning rookies about the scum pit that the Raiders call home.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/03...-oaklands.html

Scum pit? It's not like they toss batteries at the players. It's rabid hardcore fans that reside in one of the crappiest cities in the US. You aren't going to get a Saddledome type atmosphere.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Scum pit? It's not like they toss batteries at the players. It's rabid hardcore fans that reside in one of the crappiest cities in the US. You aren't going to get a Saddledome type atmosphere.

Oh, I have been to Oakland for a Chiefs Raiders game. I used the word scum pit to accurately describe the stadium and its contents. You will see things at Oakland Raiders games that you won't see any where else in the NFL. Scum pit is probably being a little too lenient.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

DeSean Jackson has a new helmet that is supposed to help prevent concussions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5765637

Love this part of the article:



So instead of promoting safer equipment to prevent concussions, the league goes for the cash grab. Just another example of the league speaking out of both sides of its mouth when it comes to concussions.

Except for the fact that the language quoted makes it quite clear that the players can wear any brand of helmet they want, they just can't display any of the branding. It's no different than any other sponsorship arrangement, in fact it's much more open than most.