Mid Term U.S. Election

[Slava]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I am disappointed that Harry Reid won despite being behind in the Rasmussen polls leading up to the vote. America needs to get as many old establishment farts out of office as possible. These guys get a little too comfortable imo...there really should be term limits set in place.

I don't want to derail the thread, but these comments make me laugh when I see the voting record in our own country. Guys like Rick Casson now have been the MP for Lethbridge since 1997 and before that was Ray Speaker who was around for what....28 years in various offices? I'm not even disagreeing with you, just that the problem in our own backyard would be explained away by them "representing the constituents" or something like that. Its the other parties career politicians that make it a bad thing...

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

How do you justify that when you have underfunded schools?

Underfunded schools have a lot to do with local and state governments not just the fed. Places like here in Alabama we cant have a lotto or small casinos because the are the "devil" and they could use said tax for schools.

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I also can't believe americans complain about high taxes when they pay squat compared to the rest of the industrialized world as a matter of fact 22 of the first world nations people pay more.

I also said that I would vote for a 10% flat tax hike to every person paying income tax to cover medical insurance for everyone. I would also rather have just a flat tax also. I don't like the tax tiers that we have now, it causes class warfare.

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Americans start wars,have aircraft carrriers, domed stadiums, and want more prisons and yet they dont want more taxes? The rich didn't leave america when the wealthy tax rate was at 39% during Reagan and they won't leave now.

Start wars? we are not the only ones to start a war. Believe it or not, we were attacked on 9/11... ( I don't believe that we should still be there now)Isn't Canada in Afghanistan and Iraq with us?

We didn't start WW2 or WW1, but we came to the aid of the allies when it was needed. But we are also the country that other countries come calling on if the sh*t hits the fan.

I'm not taking your post personal, I don't mind having a discussion about ideals as long as we don't start getting personal.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Typical Republican tactics they rally the base about abortion,gay rights,immigration, or some other blame somebody else idea. Then they get in power and they forget everything thing about it.

this is what I really find funny about us Republicans, I can care less if you're gay or not. If you're happy and want to get married it's fine with me. You just get to jump to the higher tax bracket like the rest of us married folk.

Abortion is touchy and I'm staying away from it.

Immigration shouldn't be an issue at all, people are coming in illegally and using tax funded programs when they aren't even Americans. It would be like me going to Canada for a medical procedure because it's free up there. I'm sure it happens and isn't right and needs to be stopped.

The best part is the Republican party use to be about less taxes, smaller government control on people. But now it's like the total opposite, they want to control your sex life and intrude on crap.

I'm ashamed sometimes to be a registered Republican.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by valo403

Maybe infantry was a poor choice of words, and I certainly didn't mean any offense, just pointing out tha tthe US armed forces are filled to a pretty large degree with people who have relatively limited career choices.

I know hundreds of people that joined the military for the G.I. Bill. Yet, I know plenty of people that joined right after 9/11 to defend their country.

Some kids, (like myself) are just either not mature enough for college right away or don't know what they really want to do. The Military is a great way to get some experience under their belt along with defending their country.

Yes, there is some Gomer Pyles in our Military but that isn't a new found stat, every military has someone that isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I am not worried about Obama and the next election yet. Politics down there can change real fast. Both Clinton and Reagan had a lower favourability rating at this point than he does now.

If Palin is the nominee (which I doubt will happen) then Obama will win. If it is somebody more moderate like Romney then he could be in trouble.

If Palin is the nominee Barry will win in a landslide of 96%

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't want to derail the thread, but these comments make me laugh when I see the voting record in our own country. Guys like Rick Casson now have been the MP for Lethbridge since 1997 and before that was Ray Speaker who was around for what....28 years in various offices? I'm not even disagreeing with you, just that the problem in our own backyard would be explained away by them "representing the constituents" or something like that. Its the other parties career politicians that make it a bad thing...

The party does not matter to me. Corporate influence and special interest control both parties in both countries. If you can't get the lobbyists out of there then maybe setting term limits across the board would be a good place to start. Getting fresh blood in there every few years could be a way of disrupting long term special interest agendas..

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The best part is the Republican party use to be about less taxes, smaller government control on people. But now it's like the total opposite, they want to control your sex life and intrude on crap.

When exactly was this fantastical time? Seems they've been that way for as long as I can remember. The only keep repeating the mantra of less taxes, smaller government and greater freedom to make you believe that's what they are about, while doing just the opposite.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The Military is a great way to get some experience under their belt along with defending their country.

Not to derail the thread, but that phrase has always bugged me. Defend it from who?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by valo403

Could the same not be said of a number of long term Republican members of congress? It's been a team effort.

THIS!!!

I just want the government to finally work for the people instead of themselves. Do what is best for us and the regular joe instead of what they want and what pads their wallet.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think the defending of the country is pretty simplistic, according to the U.S. enlistment oath, they defend the constitution

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

In Canada we swear an oath to the queen

I, _________, do swear (solemnly declare) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors according to law. SO HELP ME GOD (delete if declaration)

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Not to derail the thread, but that phrase has always bugged me. Defend it from who?

from enemies foreign or domestic, we should always be ready for an attack, it's the sad world we live in.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Not to derail the thread, but that phrase has always bugged me. Defend it from who?

The cave dwelling muslim terrorists!!!

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

When exactly was this fantastical time? Seems they've been that way for as long as I can remember. The only keep repeating the mantra of less taxes, smaller government and greater freedom to make you believe that's what they are about, while doing just the opposite.

Maybe it's just me, I don't believe in high taxes on useless crap, I don't think that our government should be telling us what to do or what is what is "good for us".

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

Not to derail the thread, but that phrase has always bugged me. Defend it from who?

Well considering that the American's were attacked in WWII by the Japanese, and the national body was attacked in 9/11, I think the answer is pretty apparent.

Abe Lincoln quoted

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some trans-Atlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us with a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined with a Bonaparte at their head and disposing of all the treasure of the earth, our own excepted, could not by force make a track on the Blue Ridge or take a drink from the Ohio in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up from amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we ourselves must be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we must live through all times, or die by suicide.
Abraham Lincoln

Proved to be somewhat false. While its true that the U.S. would probably not get invaded unless the Mexican's and Canadians got drunk and rowdy. There have been significant threats to the U.S. in terms of the U.S. falling under attack

Pearl Harbour
9/11
Soviet Missile Subs

currently beyond the terrorist threat, The Chinese are building ballistic missile subs, the Soviets are still a threat and are re-energizing their navy and submarine forces. There is still the treat of ballitic missile attacks.

Plus the defending the country concept has expanded to assisting and protecting their allies.

[Caged Great]

It was smart of Obama to leave certain policies till after the election.

Getting Health care done and stabilizing the economy were of major importance. Now, with things like Energy reform, and Immigration, if the republicans do not go along with it because they don't like Obama, it will hurt them because they are going against their base supporters. All Obama will have to do is campaign on the progress he made up until now, and the fact that republicans are standing in the way of America's progress towards being more secure, and ensuring a 21st century economy yada yada and he'll get re-elected.

If they do go along with it, and Obama gets it done, then Obama can just list all the things he's accomplished in such a short time and will easily get re-elected. Smart, smart move.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by PIMking

from enemies foreign or domestic, we should always be ready for an attack, it's the sad world we live in.

It's sad the world you've created in your head (that likely didn't come out right). Who exactly has the ability to take an aggressive stance in the world, especially across two great oceans, against the United States? Only the paranoia promoted by those entrenched with the industrial military complex believe the next threat is around every corner. Eisenhower warned all Americans what was brewing and they missed it.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Maybe it's just me, I don't believe in high taxes on useless crap, I don't think that our government should be telling us what to do or what is what is "good for us".

So you don't believe in institutions like the FDA or CDC? Aren't these are government bodies we need because the protect the common good, which is what the constitution is about and what the founding fathers meant when the framed the document?

As far as taxes go, you don't like having good roads, safe drinking water, good power grids, good sewage systems, and on and on? People seem to forget that taxes pay for these types of projects. Looking at the infrastructure in the United States it is obvious that taxes need to go up to pay for the repairs of these systems.

[PIMking]

I hope people are naive enough to think that they are going to take this extra tax money for health care and not touch it for the 4 years....

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

So you don't believe in institutions like the FDA or CDC? Aren't these are government bodies we need because the protect the common good, which is what the constitution is about and what the founding fathers meant when the framed the document?

As far as taxes go, you don't like having good roads, safe drinking water, good power grids, good sewage systems, and on and on? People seem to forget that taxes pay for these types of projects. Looking at the infrastructure in the United States it is obvious that taxes need to go up to pay for the repairs of these systems.

I didn't say NO taxes did I?

I didn't say NO government did I?

quit trying to twist my words into your perverted fantasy.

Of course we need taxes, but then we have crap like the FED reserve and Social Security which are utter failures and need to be waxed. But no, we will just raise more taxes for the baby boomers SS funds. I love paying for SS benefits when they will be gone by the time I get to retire.

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It was smart of Obama to leave certain policies till after the election.

Getting Health care done and stabilizing the economy were of major importance. Now, with things like Energy reform, and Immigration, if the republicans do not go along with it because they don't like Obama, it will hurt them because they are going against their base supporters. All Obama will have to do is campaign on the progress he made up until now, and the fact that republicans are standing in the way of America's progress towards being more secure, and ensuring a 21st century economy yada yada and he'll get re-elected.

If they do go along with it, and Obama gets it done, then Obama can just list all the things he's accomplished in such a short time and will easily get re-elected. Smart, smart move.

Don't know what you've been watching but the economy in the US isn't stabilized by any stretch of the imagination yet. The debt is growing too fast and the spending is still out of control. People are upset with 10% unemployment rates and a balooning debt. There are also a lot of people upset with Obamacare. There were several Democrats during this election trying to distance themselves from Obama and his policies (including Obamacare).

I don't think Obama's ideas for immigration reform will go anywhere when he's wanting to naturalize illegal immigrants. When he's willing to allow the federal govenment to sue the Arizona govenment over their immigration enforcement law it'll be tough to campaign on progress on making the border more secure.