When do they finally Axe Park N Ride?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Shazam

How much money do you think these people are "sucking"?

If the city of Calgary is falling apart because of some people driving to the city to work, this city is in big trouble.

Obviously these people aren't using all of the city's services:

- Garbage collection
- Water, sewer
- Roads, other than the ones they travel on to and fro work

Jesus, split some more hairs.

Oh yeah, and fata the word "sustainable". It's the biggest BS word of the 21st century.

Alright. So.

You feel that the status quo is perfectly acceptable and reasonable and will never change?

Not one more person will leave Calgary for the surrounding communities but maintain Calgary as their primary place of employment?

Is that a contention with which you would agree?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by chemgear

IRRICANA!?! 25 minutes, are you kidding me? BS! Haha wow.

Goggle maps has 55-57 minutes, I have a little more faith in that. I wonder how bad it gets door to door in the winter.

EDIT: Oh, and you might want to ask her how she manages 150 km/hour on average. With a stop light or two she has to be hitting 200 plus at some point in her commute.

Yeah. Its about 45 minutes if you get really good traffic. Otherwise its about an hour plus.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by fotze

I got to my home in Altadore to Strathmore yesterday morning in 40-45 minutes. I was suprised. About the same coming back. 6:30 am in the morning and 3:45ish coming back.

Good luck doing it in reverse will all the outher people in rush hour.

Plus leaving your house at 6:30 is stupid

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by fotze

I got to my home in Altadore to Strathmore yesterday morning in 40-45 minutes. I was suprised. About the same coming back. 6:30 am in the morning and 3:45ish coming back.

That at least makes sense, the math shows what - 75 km/hour average? (Speeding maybe, hehe)

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Good luck doing it in reverse will all the outher people in rush hour.

Plus leaving your house at 6:30 is stupid

Heh yeah. I'm in bed for at least another hour if not more. It all boils down to 10 minutes of commute = at least 2 weeks of vacation EVERY year.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by getbak

So, how do these other large cities deal with the surrounding "leech" cities? Detroit and Buffalo have already been given as examples of cities where the core of the city has basically dried up and almost all of the population (and wealth) lives outside of the actual city, but other cities seem to do relatively well for themselves.

Well Calgary's problem is two-fold. Not only do we subsidize non-residents in bedroom communities, we also subsidize new developments on the fringes of the city within the ever-expanding city limits. Places like Seattle and San Francisco that are bordered by geographic barriers and other municipalities have to deal with the first but not with the second.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by fotze

I got to my home in Altadore to Strathmore yesterday morning in 40-45 minutes. I was suprised. About the same coming back. 6:30 am in the morning and 3:45ish coming back.

Only takes me 30 minutes in the morning and on the way back from Forest Lawn.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

I wish this thread was still about the Park and Ride fee. Oh well!

Well, that's a boring debate.

"I hate paying fees"
"me too"

Debating who is a scum sucking parasite is a lot more fun!

And, fwiw, the Deerfoot is a provincial road, so the majority of the driving the parasites do within Calgary involves roads they actually help pay for.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Only takes me 30 minutes in the morning and on the way back from Forest Lawn.

But isn't that a slum and not a parasite community?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Well, that's a boring debate.

"I hate paying fees"
"me too"

Not true, I live in Calgary and I am for the park and ride fees. Mainly to see the reaction of people saying I support genocide and toll roads, but I support the fees.

[Knut]

I think a monthly pass is a better option for the Park and Ride from an environmental perspective. Basically you would pay up front for the usage of the parking lot and you would want to use it as much as possible to get your money's worth.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think the difference is, in these metro cities, you have industries and workers in each of these neighbouring cities, so overall you do not have one city leeching more than others. Services are spread throughout. The inflow and outflow is about the same. Calgary is a bit different because you have bedroom communities who are basically a cluster of suburban neighbourhoods and little else.

Like a poster mentioned, to somewhat mitigate for this, Calgarians should really be going more to these neighbouring towns and utilizing some of their services. I think the big thing we as Calgarians can take advantage of are the hospitals and clinics in these bedroom communities since wait times in Calgary are so bad. At least this way we can spread it out a bit more.

I already do this. High River hospital FTW!

[photon]

Dear Forest Lawn

You WISH you were a slum.

Sincerely,

Dover

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I already do this. High River hospital FTW!

With my reccomendation of course

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by photon

Dear Forest Lawn

You WISH you were a slum.

Sincerely,

Dover

That's funny. Forest Lawn scum or not.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by frinkprof

All but the very newest communities in Calgary have bus service, and the City of Calgary requires all residences to be a maximum of 400 meters from a bus stop. The communities that don't have service (which are usually brand new, numbering in the low hundreds of residents) will get service when their community grows a bit.

As for use or underuse, it really depends on which route, and what time of day. There's different types of routes: mainline (examples 2, 3, 20), express (examples 133, 179, 116), feeder (examples 16, 22, 55), special shuttle (examples 502, 506), BRT (301, 302, 305), and community shuttle (examples 429, 440, 456).

I believe what you're asking about are feeder routes or community shuttles. Some are actually quite popular while others barely see any use.

Yup I was asking about community shuttles like 456 and 453 out west. It seemed to me that before the $3 park and ride charge, people would just race their cars out there before 7am, park for free and then take the bus. Since most people taking the bus have bus passes anyways, a $3 park and ride charge would have lessened the 'race' to park for free and people would use community shuttles that takes them to the same park and ride anyways and save the $3 and the hassle of finding a parking spot.

This is what I assumed would have happened, am I way off base?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

But isn't that a slum and not a parasite community?

Well considering Forest Lawn was it's own town in the 1900's and Calgary was pretty much built around Forest Lawn I'd consider Calgary the parasite city to Forest Lawn.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Well considering Forest Lawn was it's own town in the 1900's and Calgary was pretty much built around Forest Lawn I'd consider Calgary the parasite city to Forest Lawn.

Wouldn't that just make Forest Lawn a vestigial organ/community/slum? I wouldn't exactly call them symbiotic.

[4X4]

Forest Lawn is not a parasite community. Unlike Okotoks, they have valuable services to offer Calgarians. Where else would we go to find payday loan shops, pawn shops, porn shops and liquor stores?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Forest Lawn is not a parasite community. Unlike Okotoks, they have valuable services to offer Calgarians. Where else would we go to find payday loan shops, pawn shops, porn shops and liquor stores?

What? No whores?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by fotze

OK 4X4's sister too.

Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

You're going to get punched in the face for that one!