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Old 10-31-2010, 01:28 PM   #41
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They're just being self centered and only concerned for their own well being. If you want to live within these borders, there are regulations you have to follow and if you don't like it, get out.

I wonder if a freeman has any rights since he opted out of Canadian laws. That would be interesting.
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:38 PM   #42
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"Their argument breaks down fairly quickly. If you're driving on a government built road with no license or insurance and hit somebody, boom you are subject to Canadian law. Personally I don't want to see anyone driving around with no plate. It just screams 'suspect' to me, and of course the cops will take issue with it. "

Well needless to say it sounds fishy when you read it out loud. I get the fact that they create paperwork just like it is created when you chat with a lawyer... Well not just like lol, but anyway it looks like the paper work wasn't good enough I guess. lol

I also see again this government thing. My understanding is that it is public not government. Roads are public, land that is maintained by the government is maintained by taxes, therefore, it is our roads. Just because it is brought up here I'm using this example.

Photon, you talked about vehicle vs conveyance, so comparing apples to apples. A vehicle is a vehicle no matter what colour it is or the tires or the fuel it uses.

There is a crap load of this stuff on the web. It's interesting to say the least. Stuff about a birth certificate. But it's Sunday and I'm not at work so I'll just read it tomorrow if I want to waste some time.

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I wonder if a freeman has any rights since he opted out of Canadian laws. That would be interesting.
Good question. Wonder if I can go "freeman hunting"?
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:14 PM   #44
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Photon, you talked about vehicle vs conveyance, so comparing apples to apples. A vehicle is a vehicle no matter what colour it is or the tires or the fuel it uses.
No, because vehicle is a legal magic word that if you use it or let it be used in reference to your conveyance then you are implicitly entering into a contract with the Corporation of CANADA (note the upper case) and letting them apply their acts and statutes to you.

And that's why your name is in all UPPER CASE on the ticket, trying to get your consent with a legal entity that isn't you but magically through mystical words making it you, so instead of my name if I say I am a quanta of energy of the electromagnetic family then the laws don't apply to me.

Bat**** insane.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:16 PM   #45
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Wow these guys are whackjobs.

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1. Income tax is only applicable to a fictional legal name created by Government by changing the family name to a 'sur' or primary name. It is not applicable to a living adult man, unless that man has , with full knowledge of terms, voluntarily entered into a contract of servitude to be an accessory attached to the Crown or State owned (intellectual property) name.

2. Any 'citizen', using the Roman source definition, is a 'subject/slave of the State. As with 'natural person', the adjective preceding the term does not
change the status of the entity.

3. The term 'freeman' is synonomous with the terms 'citizen, subject, person'; all meaning that the intended subject man to whom it is applied is of slave status. The original Magna Carta of 1215, which was voided by the Pope, the overlord of England, contained the term 'liber homo' (2 separate words meaning free man, or free will man) when claiming the rights to due process of law for a living man. The Pope could have none of this in his fascist world.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:25 PM   #46
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hmmm. sounds just like having a teenager living at home! of course, they have implied parental consent.

i don't remember consenting to these people in my country.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:26 PM   #47
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South Park needs to do a Freemen on the land episode, that would be hilarious.
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The Jesuit order was created around 1540 as the goon squad of the Pontiff, and controls textbook content, education curricula, colleges of higher education (heavy into the socialist agenda) and indoctrination of government leaders, as was PMs St Laurent, Trudeau, Mulroney, and Martin
all were products of Jesuit education and indoctrination. All promoted the
New World Order plans of the Pontiff of Rome. All were of the socialist/liberal bent, regardless the name of the party they served.
Oh god. They're in our schools!

There's some absolutely priceless reading in this thread on the JREF Forums.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=183943
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Out of curiosity, I did a little poking and found this thread.

Wow, total nuts.

Summary of the story (SPOILER ALERT):
  • Free, who is a moderator on the message board that has been locked down had a baby boy and does not want to register the baby in the UK so that he remains free
  • Outlines the struggles he faces from the evil government and how he battles back
  • On page 13, the mother of the baby, Bonnie, starts posting. Free has taken off, and she needs help to raise the baby without registering
  • A bit later, Bonnie asks how to travel with out government registration
  • Last post, Bonnie asks how to register a baby from abroad
Wow, that is going through a lot of pain for absolutely no gain.
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I started a movement called Gatchaman. Anyone want to join?

video explains everything
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As time goes on with more and more enlightening facts appearing , such as on the internet medium, humankind will wake up to the fact that they have been , and are victims of a vile scheme by the Red Robed Priesthood of Isis currently resident in the Vatican.
Man these guys sure have a flair for the dramatic eh?
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Type in Robert Menard to google:

http://www.exploringinfinity.com/201...for-value-a4v/

He has a sight called think free but something happened.

http://thinkfree.ca

Here's his forum

http://worldfreemansociety.org/Welcome+Page
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Whats the difference between a Freeman and a separtist? Both want to opt out of the government of land and take government assets with them.

The big problem with feeman is they use the government benefits but really if a group of people truly wanted to opt out of Canada they should be allowed to. Logistically it would impossible for someone to survive in any kind of modern way but I kind of like the concept that you choose to be a Canadian and not forced to be a Canadian.
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Whats the difference between a Freeman and a separtist? Both want to opt out of the government of land and take government assets with them.

The big problem with feeman is they use the government benefits but really if a group of people truly wanted to opt out of Canada they should be allowed to. Logistically it would impossible for someone to survive in any kind of modern way but I kind of like the concept that you choose to be a Canadian and not forced to be a Canadian.
If Quebec votes to separate they lose all benefits of being a part of Canada, and they also probably would have to pay some form of restitution.

A Freeman, wants to be outside of the governing process, while still gaining the benefits (Protection by the armed forces, delivery of utilities, protection by police and fire etc)
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If Quebec votes to separate they lose all benefits of being a part of Canada, and they also probably would have to pay some form of restitution.

A Freeman, wants to be outside of the governing process, while still gaining the benefits (Protection by the armed forces, delivery of utilities, protection by police and fire etc)
I agree the Freeman wanting services while not paying for them is ridiculous . But the concept of an individual by default not being bound to the country he is born in is interesting and I think has some merit.
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I agree the Freeman wanting services while not paying for them is ridiculous . But the concept of an individual by default not being bound to the country he is born in is interesting and I think has some merit.

It has no merit whatsoever. If you live in a country, by default you enjoy the privileges of citizenship, and also bear the responsibilities. If you are born and issued a birth certificate, then you are a citizen.

If you don't want to be a citizen of the country, or be governed, then your choice is to leave the national borders.
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I have no problem with people declaring independence. If they can fend off the army, then good for them.
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It has no merit whatsoever. If you live in a country, by default you enjoy the privileges of citizenship, and also bear the responsibilities. If you are born and issued a birth certificate, then you are a citizen.

If you don't want to be a citizen of the country, or be governed, then your choice is to leave the national borders.
He has a point... Lets go back to my one point about Bucky in Denny's and the civil laws that violate your rights as a person in this country. Privilage or right to be born here? Compared to the India thread Canada looks like a privilege to be sure, but so does every common wealth nation on this world. So every land has it's law. What is so different about Canada? The USA? Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, United Kingdom? What is the difference to China, India, Mexico and south, Russia, North Korea? Besides my run on sentences! Really, all these lands have laws. Does China have a site or spokesman like this? I am not saying he is right or wrong, but what would happen to him if he lived there?
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He has a point... Lets go back to my one point about Bucky in Denny's and the civil laws that violate your rights as a person in this country. Privilage or right to be born here? Compared to the India thread Canada looks like a privilege to be sure, but so does every common wealth nation on this world. So every land has it's law. What is so different about Canada? The USA? Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, United Kingdom? What is the difference to China, India, Mexico and south, Russia, North Korea? Besides my run on sentences! Really, all these lands have laws. Does China have a site or spokesman like this? I am not saying he is right or wrong, but what would happen to him if he lived there?
China probably doesn't have a site like that or a Freeman movement because they would treat the guy like he was mentally ill, incarcerate him and beat him until he changed his mind.

In Canada people, and especially people like this have the freedom to spout stupidity like they were watering a lawn made up of morons. However at the end of the day the commonality between China and Canada is that you as a citizen cannot pick and chose what privlideges of your country you can have and wich you refuse.

In Canada he has a simple choice, if he doesn't like it here, or doesn't want to be part of his franchise as a citizen he can merely leave, however if he immigrates somewhere else then he basically does sign a contract in order to enter.

In China his choices are to stay . . . or eat a bullet . . . or start rowing.
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