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valo403 · 10-31-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

So the U.S has three times the punishment and you don't think that's significant?

If it was your son or daughter who go pushed off a train and crushed to death would 3 years 2 months satisfy you? or maybe you'd be happy because you'd save a couple dollars in tax.

The US does not have 3x the punishment. Where are you getting this from?

GGG · 10-31-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Just another example of the soft Canadian justice system. You push someone into the path of a train and are convicted you serve 25 years to life no questions asked.

Considering he was in the middle of an illegal drug deal buying crack (not pot) why should we have sympathy. Drug deals go bad all the time. This wasn't an innocent bystander.

Killing someone over a drug deal gone bad isn't the same as pre-meditated murder.

puckluck · 10-31-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

The US does not have 3x the punishment. Where are you getting this from?

From the post I quoted.

puckluck · 10-31-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Considering he was in the middle of an illegal drug deal buying crack (not pot) why should we have sympathy. Drug deals go bad all the time. This wasn't an innocent bystander.

Killing someone over a drug deal gone bad isn't the same as pre-meditated murder.

So what if he was buying drugs? Does that mean he deserves to die? NEWSFLASH: Alot of people buy drugs (and pot is still illegal), and I'm one of them. Does that mean I deserve to die? or because I buy pot and not crack that means I'm a better person or have more reason to live and not be murdered by a scum bag like Pasqua.

I didn't say it should be premeditated murder as that would likely be first degree, but it should have been second degree murder. You don't push someone off a train unless you want to kill them.

valo403 · 10-31-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

So what if he was buying drugs? Does that mean he deserves to die? NEWSFLASH: Alot of people buy drugs (and pot is still illegal), and I'm one of them. Does that mean I deserve to die? or because I buy pot and not crack that means I'm a better person or have more reason to live and not be murdered by a scum bag like Pasqua.

I didn't say it should be premeditated murder as that would likely be first degree, but it should have been second degree murder. You don't push someone off a train unless you want to kill them.

The charge isn't just based upon what it looks like to us, it's also based upon what the crown thinks they can a conviction for. It's possible that they didn't think they'd get the conviction if they went ahead with a higher charge.

puckluck · 10-31-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

The charge isn't just based upon what it looks like to us, it's also based upon what the crown thinks they can a conviction for. It's possible that they didn't think they'd get the conviction if they went ahead with a higher charge.

Thanks, but I didn't say I never understood how the system works.

That's exactly why I think the system is a joke. Seems pretty cut and clear to me, but hey if OJ can get away with murder anyone can.

Even cops call it a catch and release system and most are fed up with it.

valo403 · 10-31-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Thanks, but I didn't say I never understood how the system works.

That's exactly why I think the system is a joke. Seems pretty cut and clear to me, but hey if OJ can get away with murder anyone can.

Even cops call it a catch and release system and most are fed up with it.

You think the system is a joke because people have to actually be convicted of their crimes?

Hack&Lube · 10-31-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Thanks, but I didn't say I never understood how the system works.

That's exactly why I think the system is a joke. Seems pretty cut and clear to me, but hey if OJ can get away with murder anyone can.

Even cops call it a catch and release system and most are fed up with it.

You are confusing this with the media misconception of the U.S. Justice system. They are completely different.

puckluck · 10-31-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

You are confusing this with the media misconception of the U.S. Justice system. They are completely different.

No I'm not and didn't even mention the U.S system untill another poster brought it up. I don't care what they do in the U.S. I live in Canada and the system sucks here no matter how bad or good another system in the world is.

GGG · 10-31-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

So what if he was buying drugs? Does that mean he deserves to die? NEWSFLASH: Alot of people buy drugs (and pot is still illegal), and I'm one of them. Does that mean I deserve to die? or because I buy pot and not crack that means I'm a better person or have more reason to live and not be murdered by a scum bag like Pasqua.

I didn't say it should be premeditated murder as that would likely be first degree, but it should have been second degree murder. You don't push someone off a train unless you want to kill them.

I am saying he doesn't deserve sympathy or moral outrage. To me pot vs crack is a big difference. Crack users are not productive members of society whereas pot users usually are.

More than that I am all about personal responsibility. This person engaged in a drug deal and died because of it. I will save my outrage for child molestors who get off easy not junkies who kill dealers in what more or less was a bar fight.

shermanator · 10-31-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

So what if he was buying drugs? Does that mean he deserves to die? NEWSFLASH: Alot of people buy drugs (and pot is still illegal), and I'm one of them. Does that mean I deserve to die? or because I buy pot and not crack that means I'm a better person or have more reason to live and not be murdered by a scum bag like Pasqua.

Actually, Prevost wasn't buying drugs. He was selling weed to Pasqua and shortchanged her, which led to the whole confrontation. As well, he pushed her onto the tracks first. The kid was a high school dropout with no job, who sold marijuana to support himself.

The fact she got out so early is a joke, but I have 0 sympathy for the victim. None.

troutman · 10-31-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Crack users are not productive members of society whereas pot users usually are.

I have not many heavy pot users that are super-achievers.

jammies · 10-31-2010, 11:20 PM

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I have not many heavy pot users that are super-achievers.

I have not many fish people!

cal_guy · 11-01-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

So the U.S has three times the punishment and you don't think that's significant?

If it was your son or daughter who go pushed off a train and crushed to death would 3 years 2 months satisfy you? or maybe you'd be happy because you'd save a couple dollars in tax.[/QUOTE]

In most US states inmates are eligible for parole at 50% served mark so in my case she would have likely have been released at about the 4 year mark, also note that I did say that an 8-9 year sentence would be fairly harsh sentence.

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If it was your son or daughter who go pushed off a train and crushed to death would 3 years 2 months satisfy you? or maybe you'd be happy because you'd save a couple dollars in tax.

Victims and their familes desire vengeance and retribution, the accused/perpetrators desire forgivness and mercy. If the law sides solely with the victims we lose elements of justice like self-defense, and ignores mitigating factors. If we have system that solely favors the perpetrators we lose the deterrence factor of punishment. Our justice system is established to find an balance between deterrence, punishment and rehabilitation all while maximizing the financial resources available to our justice system.

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Actually, Prevost wasn't buying drugs. He was selling weed to Pasqua and shortchanged her, which led to the whole confrontation. As well, he pushed her onto the tracks first. The kid was a high school dropout with no job, who sold marijuana to support himself.

The situation that was reported in the news was that Pasqua purchased crack cocaine from a dealer near the station. Prevost than offer to buy a part of the crack, but then refused to pay.

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Pasqua had bought a rock of crack cocaine from a dealer near the platform when Prevost and two friends approached her to buy a portion but refused to hand over his money.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Wom...500/story.html

chemgear · 08-19-2013, 04:52 PM

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/08/19...er-drug-charge

Convicted killer Natalie Pasqua is free once again — this time after a 12-day stint at the Calgary Remand Centre.

Pasqua pleaded guilty Monday to three charges, including possessing crack cocaine and failing to appear for court.

But Crown prosecutor Nicole Dumaresque and defence counsel Rebecca Snukal suggested the nearly two weeks Pasqua has been behind bars since being picked up on a warrant was sufficient punishment.