Benitez spent more money during his time at Liverpool than Ferguson spent during the same time period. Benitez was there for six years so I don't think that's an unfair comparison.
I love how you are blaming the eighteen million wasted on Robbie Keane as "not his favourite signing". Obviously he wanted Gareth Barry but he bought Keane once that fell through. How is that not his fault? Furthermore, I love how you "refuse to count Aquilani because he didn't have time to settle".
HE BOUGHT HIM WHEN HE WAS ALREADY INJURED. Everyone, including myself, knew when he was bought that he wouldn't be able to play until early November 2009. Another twenty million pounds wasted.
I can't believe you go on about how Babel is Liverpool's highest scoring sub ever. Don't you realize that until twenty years ago you were only allowed one sub per match? Meaningless stat. Babel was a total waste of money, as evidenced by the fact that he doesn't play at all anymore.
Benitez cost himself the job with his terrible purchases in the transfer market.
The only reason that it's like that is because of one transfer. The one Ronaldo figure hugely distorted that fact, and if you actually look at the periods where United won something it was much higher than ours.
Oh yeah, players like:
Torres
Alonso
Mascherano
Reina
Agger
Skrtel
Johnson
Kuyt
Arbeloa
Aurelio
Benayoun
Crouch
Garcia
are e. I mean it's not like Rafa has made a profit on 14 of his players to the tune of about 42MP, and made a loss on a whopping 5 of them totalling 14MP.
compared to his bad buys of:
Keane(who was a Parry singing)
Pennant
Morientes
Dossena
Babel(who has the most goals as a sub for a Liverpool player ever)
Riera
Nunez
Josemi
Gonzalez(who he made 1.5MP profit on)
Cavalieri
Then you'll say add Degen and Voronin....both were on frees. You get what you pay for. It's good to note that Rafa made 2MP on the pair of them.
I refuse to add Aquilani seeing as he never had the time to settle because of the current manager, and when he did play he was good(2nd most assists of any Liverpool player). Essien and Nani were both in their first season in the EPL, it takes time to adjust so Aquilani cannot be counted if he never had the chance because of someone else.
The grand total of those is what 60MP? Here's one for you, Anderson, Veron, Hargreaves, Carrick, and Berbatov... those 5 cost 110MP. 5 highpriced baconface buys cost about 10 Rafa buys, when only one of them cost double digits, and was not his choice to buy or not. Quite simply you get what you pay for, unless your name is Ferguson and in which case it's half the time you get what you pay for.
Look at Mourinho, he's paid half of that for Shevchenko who was absolute dross. SWP cost what 50MP? That's 50MP covered by 2 players. Then you can add in the likes of Bouhlarouz at 7MP, Del Horno 8MP, Jarosik(5MP), Tiago(8MP), Kezman(5MP), Ferreira(13MP), that's 106MP squandered in half of Rafa's time.
If you actually look at the kind of players that he bought that were good(Drogba, Essien, Malouda, Carvalho, Robben, Cole) you'd see that all of them except for Cole(who was worth much more and Mourinho cheated to get) cost double digits with 3 of them costing 20MP or more.
So can you not see that the players Rafa has spent double digits on(Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Johnson, Kuyt, Babel, Keane) that he's only whiffed hard on one of them(Keane - who was not his favourite to buy) and not got his moneys worth on Babel(who's the highest scoring sub in Reds history).
Quite simply, you get what you pay for, and not everybody is perfect, but you choose to look at the flops Rafa bought, many of whom costed nothing and were a necessary risk to take at the price. It was a risk that almost paid off, and that risk netted the likes of Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Insua, Benayoun, Crouch, Sissoko, Arbeloa, Ngog, Soto, and Fowler.
Yeah, too many to list, what a joke.
Huh? I remember watching Robbie Fowler play for Liverpool as far back as September 1994.
Benitez actually had a deal in place to buy Christiano Ronaldo but Alex Ferguson stepped in and changed Ronaldo's mind. The cost to Manchester United? 12.5MP. We got Babel instead. Benitez should be shot for letting that happen.
Benitez spent more money during his time at Liverpool than Ferguson spent during the same time period. Benitez was there for six years so I don't think that's an unfair comparison.
I love how you are blaming the eighteen million wasted on Robbie Keane as "not his favourite signing". Obviously he wanted Gareth Barry but he bought Keane once that fell through. How is that not his fault? Furthermore, I love how you "refuse to count Aquilani because he didn't have time to settle".
HE BOUGHT HIM WHEN HE WAS ALREADY INJURED. Everyone, including myself, knew when he was bought that he wouldn't be able to play until early November 2009. Another twenty million pounds wasted.
I can't believe you go on about how Babel is Liverpool's highest scoring sub ever. Don't you realize that until twenty years ago you were only allowed one sub per match? Meaningless stat. Babel was a total waste of money, as evidenced by the fact that he doesn't play at all anymore.
Benitez cost himself the job with his terrible purchases in the transfer market.
No, Benitez spent far less than Ferguson(and consider that a new manager will naturally spend more than a longer tenured one to get his players) and one transfer skews the facts).
Rick Parry wouldn't give him money for Barry. Parry said I'll buy you Keane, or nobody. Who would say nobody in that case, especially considering he probably won't pay that. Then you can see 6 months later, when Rafa starts calling the shots he sells Keane to minimize the loss.
He was 6 weeks away when we bought him. That's what our doctors told Rafa. Guess what, they were wrong. You can't fault Rafa if the doctors Liverpool have are wrong. Not suprisingly he changed the doctors shortly after.
And look at Nani, Berbatov, Essien, and the likes and you'll see there is an adjustment period. So it's not fair to say Aquilani sucks, when another managers decision has forced that without taking a 2nd look.
Correction, Babel doesn't play under Woy anymore. But Christian Poulsen does so obviously Poulsen>Babel. No.
Lol, which bad buys? I've listed them all, you just refuse to actually think about the numbers of good to bad, and money spent. Which isn't surprising.
Benitez actually had a deal in place to buy Christiano Ronaldo but Alex Ferguson stepped in and changed Ronaldo's mind. The cost to Manchester United? 12.5MP. We got Babel instead. Benitez should be shot for letting that happen.
He had a deal in place to buy him before he was even the Liverpool manager?!?! Jesus, he's failed for us before he'd even joined us. Wow, he sucks.
Babel was bought 4 years later after that as well.
Excellent job with facts! I mean you're so far wrong, it must be right?
Honest Question: Do you just believe everything you've heard and read about Rafa? Or do you actually check through the numbers and statistics?
This is so weird, because looking at the thread it seems that nobody talked about nationality until you brought up 'Spaniard'. Interesting.
You're a twit. Accuse people of xenophobia when you're the one who brought nationality into the discussion, let alone that fact that you can't make it through a sentence without hurling insults.
I haven't used Spaniard to knock him down, just another way to refer to him(ie the Spaniard has) People refer to him as the Spanish waiter, which is derogatory.
The English media are xenophobic. Have you listened to what they say or write? I mean they've been hammering for a British manager at Liverpool. They get it. They love their basic methods of 442, and man to man marking. They get it. They see they need more English at Liverpool(Woy's added 2 more English players to the XI to make half the outfield players British). And the thing is, the more English we've added, the worse we've got.
Listen to the way they talk about Benitez. He's commonly known as some form of "the Spanish waiter" usually with more derogatory adjectives involved.
And you think that the current ownership group is any different? Based upon what?
Based upon the fact that before this all happened, Tom Hicks was hated by every single fan of his team. He singlehandedly destroyed Corinthians in Brazil(who were a powerhouse who needed a stadium...when he sold them they were relegated and in the same stadium), his Stars always spent under the cap, and the Rangers didn't make the playoffs under his tenure.
Gillett was the more sensible of the two. He owned the Habs, which is obviously a cash cow and spent to the max and built the new stadium(I believe).
NESV on the other hand, came into an eerily similar situation in Boston. The team hadn't won it's desired trophy for 84 years, Fenway Park needed to be remodeled or a new stadium built, and they were fast becoming an afterthought to the Yanks.
He re-did Fenway, better than anyone expected, he was a pioneer in hiring sabremetrical baseball minds(advanced stats), including a 28 year old out of Princeton(who nobody else would have hired), he changed the manager quickly, and there was a new air about the club. He spent money to bring in top class players, and 2 years later the team broke the "curse of the Bambino", and won a 2nd one the year after that to make it 2 titles in 4 years and now the Red Sox are in the same discussion with the Yankees again.
He also owns a highly successful NASCAR team, and just the other day, he cut off the engine supply to George Gillett's team - basically showing how far advanced he is compared to our former owner.
Within the first day of buying the club he set up meetings with SOS, a group of posters from the forum which spearheaded the Cowboys ousting(RAWK) and he talked with HJC(Hillsborough Justice Campaign). Upon entering the stadium for a tour, he took pictures with every single person at Anfield that day, leaving behind everyone in a smile.
Now you'll say what about the Marlins? The Marlins were a failing franchise. NESV saw an opportunity to improve the club both fiscally and results wise. He wanted to build a new stadium to move out of the aging Dolphin Stadium but was denied by the City. This left him no choice but to seek moving the club because frankly nobody was watching the team, the team sucked, and there was no hope on the horizon.
Suddenly his boyhood club, the Boston Redsox, come for sale. He sees an opportunity to really make his mark, so he makes his move there.
Now should there be an air of cautiousness? Yes, we'd be stupid, and fooled for the 2nd time if we assumed these guys were jesus reincarnated. But is there a cautious optimism surrounding these guys? Yes. We feel that the respect between the owners and the supporters are back, and we feel that the job they did with the Red Sox will be repeated here as best they can - which is the main reason Martin Broughton labeled this the preferred bid to Peter Lim's.
NESV on the other hand, came into an eerily similar situation in Boston. The team hadn't won it's desired trophy for 84 years, Fenway Park needed to be remodeled or a new stadium built, and they were fast becoming an afterthought to the Yanks.
He re-did Fenway, better than anyone expected, he was a pioneer in hiring sabremetrical baseball minds(advanced stats), including a 28 year old out of Princeton(who nobody else would have hired), he changed the manager quickly, and there was a new air about the club. He spent money to bring in top class players, and 2 years later the team broke the "curse of the Bambino", and won a 2nd one the year after that to make it 2 titles in 4 years and now the Red Sox are in the same discussion with the Yankees again.
He is the same owner that has been so cheap lately that they lost out on top free agents to their hated rival and have now fallen back to 3rd in their division and an after thought in the American League. I am sure he loves the fact that he has all that extra money from not signing Holliday and instead going with the great defensive Mike Cameron instead.
Red Sox aren't even in the same discussion with the Rays right now and don't look like they will be for awhile.
But he now is able to say he is the owner of teams with the most obnoxious fans in two sports.
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He also owns a highly successful NASCAR team, and just the other day, he cut off the engine supply to George Gillett's team - basically showing how far advanced he is compared to our former owner.
Highly successful?
LOL
I guess winning a race once and awhile and being a distant 3rd or 4th best team now makes you highly successful.
Although for Liverpool fans I guess 3/4 would look pretty great.
Spanish waiter has been used as a derogatory term in the media. That's a short form for "the fat Spanish waiter", if I called you the short Korean/Canadian idiot , I am using your nationality in a derogatory manner.
